MAYWEATHER jr to sign with UFC!!!

[Team Mayweather]

This is all bull****.

[Left Hook Tua]

judo, greco-roman and freestyle wresting are olympic sports.

"mma" is not an olympic sport. it's a bar fight/ dry humping.

boxing is an olympic sport. it's the sweet science. it's the purest form of combat.

most of the fighters in the ufc are brazilian jiu-jitsu fighters and wrestlers.

brazilian jiu-jitsu was created by the gracies who was taught judo (kosen judo not kodokan) by a japanese judoka master. bjj is based on judo not the actual japanese jujitsu/jiu-jitsu. a lot of mma guys were former olympic team or national team wrestlers.

mma is as old if not older than boxing. ever heard of pankration? it was an olympic sport during the ancient greek days maybe not the modern one.

as far as barfighting. every fights in bars i've been to involved bottles , chairs and sometimes poolsticks. you maybe have never been to a barfight. or very friendly ones that don't involve weapons.

boxing is the purest form of combat? in the old days when they were fighting in ancient greece they taught pankration to their soldiers not boxing. how do you punch someone with armor and a helmet? that's why they developed armlocks and leglocks and grabbing techniques. same with medieval japan. samurais don't really punch each other. kinda ineffective with armor on no? that's why they used armbars and leglocks and such and grabbed each other to remove the others helmet and parts of their armor so they can be dispatched with a knife or short sword.

[Left Hook Tua]

p.s. only athletes get sponsored by sports companies, right?

amir khan- reebok

prince naseem- adidas

muhammad ali- adidas

roy jones jr.- jordan

andre ward- jordan

yuriokis gamboa- adidas

oscar de la hoya- puma

etc. i can state so many examples. anyways, the point is mma/ dry humping is just a fad. these guys wish they were boxers and making millions of dollars. when u put ur life on the line, u deserve millions of dollars, not a couple of hundred grand.

show me one mma "athlete" (lol it irritates me even when someones calls them an athlete) who has sponsorship deals from sports companies.

ha ha ha

so what validates a sport now is how much money companies put into it? when was the last time you seen a boxer in a commercial? holyfield's pizza commercial?

they have their sponsors their just not out there in the u.s. where mma is not a mainstream sport. check out a ufc fight and you'll see all the vitamin and sports drink sponsors they get. adidas even sponsors bjj teams in brazil. and in japan mma fighters sells everything from sodas to microwaves.

[FLYBOY]

lmao ok there... im not even gonna argue man... but have fun watching guys dry humping each other.

peace.

[Left Hook Tua]

lmao ok there... im not even gonna argue man... but have fun watching guys dry humping each other.

peace.

ha ha ha

my responses gets long sometimes...... i don't plan it that way but sometimes i post and i look up and it's like a freaking book. ha ha ha

actually the groundgame is why i watch mma. i don't like it when they stand up and punch each other. compared to boxing it's not as pretty.

i watch mma for the wrestling and submission. i watch boxing when i wanna see somebody get knocked out. mma looks ugly punching because they can't block with those gloves. there's no point in blocking because of the small size of the gloves.

[sunthunder]

For anyone asking whether any MMA fighters are sponsored by big companies-

Yoshihiro Akiyama, Caol Uno and a few other Japanese fighters are sponsored by Nike. Kid Yamamoto is sponsored by Reebok. Quinton Jackson is about to do a commercial for Nike.

Nike advert featuring Akiyama (he's the dude beating up the punching dummy):



Caol Uno actually designs clothes for Nike, he has his own sub-brand called 10AC, here are one pair of his shoes he designed.

[Kakutogi-Gumi]

show me one mma "athlete" (lol it irritates me even when someones calls them an athlete) who has sponsorship deals from sports companies.

KID Yamamoto is sponsored by NIKE, Mike Zambidis and Hideo Tokoro are sponsored by PUMA, and Caol Uno has his own line of clothes from Reebok.

Next.

EDIT: D'OH

[FLYBOY]

lmaooo ok good these guys are getting sponsorships but only in asia...

whatever. it's good for them.

BUT tell me who wants to watch 2 guys dry humping each other?

and tell me when a fighter puts his life on the line, does he not desreve top money?

and one more thing.... right now... out of all mma organizations, ufc is the most popular/ lucrative organization. and none of their so called "athletes" have top sponsorships, they are paid embarassing pay cheques for putting their lives on the line.

and worst of all, they dry hump each other

end of thread.

im not going to waste my precious time typing this **** here anymore. im going to focus on my boxing which will make me a multimillionaire soon. alright, have fun dry humping each other and please get out of non-stop boxing. there's a separate section for dry humpers

thank you and have a good day

[sunthunder]

Well if you want to look at it as "dry humping" as you put it, then fine. But the reality is, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not, grappling and submissions are a very real part of fighting. Using your hands and punching is not intrinsically "better" than grappling. The reality is that if about 97% of boxers entered MMA with no additional training in other styles, they'd get "dry humped" and end up either choked unconscious, having a limb broken or getting knocked out with strikes on the ground, that is reality, and it has been proven time and time again with strikers from various backgrounds, all mostly ending up in a similar way.

And fighter pay will increase as the sport grows, it's still a relatively young sport in comparrison to boxing, and with that considered, the pay rates aren't too bad at all.

[pugilistfan]

BJ Penn and Jeff Joslin are hardly the standard examples for getting a BJJ black belt. The average is 8-10 years, there's a reason BJ is called "The Prodigy". He also won Mundials just after getting his black belt, beating guys who'd done BJJ since they were kids. He is not typical.

And the reason some BJJ blackbelts do great and some don't is due to the fact that there's a massive difference between doing BJJ and doing BJJ whilst being punched in the face. The lack of gi and addition of strikes greatly changes your game. Some adapt to it (Nogueira being the best example) and some don't (Crane being a good example).

And the idea that stuff like takedown defence and submission defence are easy to pick up is absurd. There are many fantastic strikers (whose striking far exceeds that of many mma fighters) from many backgrounds such as muay thai or K-1 who have tried to learn takedown defence, and for the most part very few succeed. Mirko Crocop is the striking convert who has done best, but even Crocop has been takendown, and had his weaknesses exploited. Sometimes the fear of being taken down is enough to make a great striker timid, and they can actually be out-struck standing by an opponent with inferior striking.

I mean when people say "all you have to do with a great boxer is teach them great takedown defence". The kind of takedown defence you're really talking about is olympic callibre wrestling, it's a ridiculous idea to think that just any boxer can come along at 30 and pick that up. There are so many strikers who have tried this and only Crocop has picked up this kind of defensive wrestling to the point when he reaches the top level in MMA. Better strikers than Crocop have tried and they haven't come close to reaching that top level of MMA.

I know what Penn did is incredible. But my point is that Joslin who has a black belt isnt that much better than an MMA fighter with a brown belt or a purple belt. Theres a reason why Couture an MMA legend thinks the belt system is ******. Because like you said its a hell of alot different getting punched in the head. At his gym he doesnt award belts because he incorporates strikes into his BJJ (for those who fight not the recreational guys). I've done BJJ and the first day I was like man this is not even fighting. The chances that I can apply BJJ in a real fight is slim and not only that how am I going to react to getting elbowed and punched in the face. The main attribute a boxer has is they know what its like to get punched in the face moreso than ANY other discipline. Thats why you see quite a few guys transition successful from boxing. Marcus Davis, Jeremy Williams, Chris Lytle, Alessio Sakara (if only he had a chin) have amassed fantastic MMA records and guys like Davis and Lytle have been in there with the worlds best in MMA.

Nobody is saying takedown defense is easy but the fact remains that guys like Alexander, Jardine, Leben and many more have accelerated through the pro ranks without ANY ground game. Floyd Mayweather and other elite boxers are ATHLETES. And athletes with enough dedication can progress much faster than your average joe.

Do you know how many olympic calibre athletes have FAILED in MMA? Alot of them. Georges St. Pierre earlier in his career had absolutely NO WRESTLING BACKGROUND and yet was able to stuff takedowns from fantastic wrestlers with great pedigrees in Frank Trigg, Matt Hughes etc. Again MMA elitists love to say "oh well its his wrestling background" but its his ATHLETICISM. Even Joe Rogan the biggest MMA nuthugger on the planet said GSP is able to do the things he does because of his quickness, athleticism. He has made incredible improvements on the ground but his takedowns and takedown defense has ALWAYS been there for him. And your talking about a guy with absolutely no fighting background aside from karate. He started wrestling at the age of 21. You cant win a fight in any combat sport on pure athleticism but he sure does help...ALOT.

You have no idea how many of these fighters have literally no BACKGROUND in combat sports. There are alot of them and they were able to transition just fine. I'm sorry but I just dont value a high school wrestling background that highly and thats the background that guys like Sherk, Pulver and many other fighters come from.

Crocop, Mark Hunt were guys who came from K-1 and competed with the best heavyweights in the world. Crocop never got exposed. Hes not a great ground fighter but hes not bad either. In fact his biggest losses in the UFC came from being out fought on his feet. Fedor said his toughest fight ever was against Crocop and Mark Hunt and Noguiera also said Crocop gave him one of his toughest fights ever. These are the best heavyweights in the world saying that about STRIKERS with absolutely no background in ground fighting. Mark Hunt is a glorified sparring partner for Tua and failed miserably in his boxing career and as a result went to K-1.

Nobody is saying that Mayweather can compete for a title in 1 year if ever but to automatically discount a guy because of his age or background is ridiculous. He has a much better pedigree than 95% of the fighters in MMA.

Lastly, Do you know what age Couture started training for MMA? 33 years old.