NEWSFLASH: MORALES will not move up without PACQUIAO

[m00ks]

I think the Morales fights took something out of him.
Also, he didn't look that good in the Pac fight.
Not like he did in his other fights.

I disagree. I doubt you can take something out of a fighter like MAB. Heck if anything I think Morales even gave MAB confidence after the win, even after the contreversial draw. MAB fought and survived and even hurt Morales, something that MAB can boast about for the rest of his career and his life.

He did not look good against Pac because Pac made him look bad plain and simple. When you TKO and dominate Marco Antonio Barrera, it's not an eveyday occurance. No **** MAB didn't look good.

There was nothing wrong with him in the first 2 rounds. Same patient MAB, gloves high, waiting for the perfect oppurtunity to release an attack. Heck he was even the agressor in the beginning. Nothing different. Had it NOT been the same MAB, Pac would have decked him in the first round. What gave MAB trouble was Pac's hand speed, relentless agression and
overwhelming power.

As Larry Merchant said it perfectly, "It seems that Barrera has conceded to Pacquiao's power. That he cannot stand toe to toe with the Filipino fighter". Barrera tried everything but poisonous food to stop Pac. He tried to be agressive, Pac overpowered him. He tried to box, Pac would outbox him with his speed. He tried to counter, Pac just walked through them without flinching. The man had nothing else to defend himself which led to the inevitable outcome. He was just outgunned.

The fact of the matter is MAB has never been outscored lopsidedly as he did against Pac. You're talking about an 7-9 point deficit. Unheard of against Barrera . That **** simply doesn't happen. Not from Junior Jones, not even from Morales. That says something about a fighter. Others still say MAB had a "bad night". I just say he got beat by the better man convincingly enough...

[m00ks]

The thing is u cant use Barrera as a Measuring stick. Even Morales was in the same situation, where Jr Jones DEcked and then UD Barrera. THe Morales came to KO him in 4.

Styles its always about styles.

In my opinion Manny pacquiao vs Morales will look like a Hybrid between Marquez rounds 2- 10 and Morales vs Ayala who is also a southpaw, very fast and very game when he fought him.

Morales naturally rolls to his right against south paws straight lefts, like Marquez learned to do in his fight,

But Morales has much more movement and he covers his chin as he moves.

MAB for me is a measuring stick because I feel that MAB and Morales share similar styles. Both are well balanced boxers that pick their shots and time their assaults.

Ayala and Manny cannot be compared. Ayala's speed is no where near Pacquiao's and his power doesn't come close. Otherwise, we would have seen the same outcome as MAB-PAC and MAB-Ayala. Just to let you know, MAB roleld out to his left the whole fight hoping to avoid that left. Unsucessfull.

Morales never went down in his career (the one against MAB was "contraversial", for me he just got hurt). MAB never went down 3 times in his career in one fight. JMM never went down 3 times in his career in a single round. I will hold any comments on Morales' chin until after he faces Pac's left hand.

[grayfist]

The thing is u cant use Barrera as a Measuring stick. Even Morales was in the same situation, where Jr Jones DEcked and then UD Barrera. THe Morales came to KO him in 4.

Styles its always about styles.

In my opinion Manny pacquiao vs Morales will look like a Hybrid between Marquez rounds 2- 10 and Morales vs Ayala who is also a southpaw, very fast and very game when he fought him.

Morales naturally rolls to his right against south paws straight lefts, like Marquez learned to do in his fight,

But Morales has much more movement and he covers his chin as he moves.

Junior Jones was a boxer-puncher who had a respectable but not dreadful punch. Most of his KO's were results of combos well placed. Ayala is notoriously lacking in the power department. His meetings with Bones Adams spoke tomes on this. Were Pacquiao like any one of those, Barrera would not be a good yardstick to speculate on Morales-Pacquiao. Pacquiao's punch can make even a Morales pay attention. Barrera, fairly early, paid more than attention. Yes, styles make fights. The three are all stand-up fighters. Barrera is better known than the other two for defense. He employed it against Morales and did the same against Pacquiao.The first fight was awarded to Morales even though most ringsiders believe it should have gone Barrera's way. The second fight was the complete reverse of that. Controversial, both. When Pacquiao met Marco, the result was decisive. Was Barrera damaged goods when he met Pacquiao? That could be argued. Was Pacquiao too good that Barrera looked bad? That too can be argued. But who's to definitely say? Not even Barrera's doctor could, would or had when it comes to the issue of damaged goods. When it comes to Pacquiao's having made MAC look bad, well, we can go over that again and again until they meet again. After that, we will be going over the two fights' results.

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MAB for me is a measuring stick because I feel that MAB and Morales share similar styles. Both are well balanced boxers that pick their shots and time their assaults.

Ayala and Manny cannot be compared. Ayala's speed is no where near Pacquiao's and his power doesn't come close. Otherwise, we would have seen the same outcome as MAB-PAC and MAB-Ayala. Just to let you know, MAB roleld out to his left the whole fight hoping to avoid that left. Unsucessfull.

Morales never went down in his career (the one against MAB was "contraversial", for me he just got hurt). MAB never went down 3 times in his career in one fight. JMM never went down 3 times in his career in a single round. I will hold any comments on Morales' chin until after he faces Pac's left hand.

Morales and Barrera have very different styles. They dont even stand the same way. They dont move close to the same way, they dont punch close to the same way.

Ayala on the other hand, jabs a throws the 1 - 2 a lot like Pacquiao only difference is pacquiao leaves himself more open. And he is much more obvious in what he is about to throw.

[m00ks]

Morales and Barrera have very different styles. They dont even stand the same way. They dont move close to the same way, they dont punch close to the same way.

Ayala on the other hand, jabs a throws the 1 - 2 a lot like Pacquiao only difference is pacquiao leaves himself more open. And he is much more obvious in what he is about to throw.

If that were the case, then Ayala should have handled MAB pretty well. Or did MAB show that since he KOD Ayala, Pac's faith is th same?

If you're saying that the only difference between Pac and Ayala is that Pac leaves himself more open (LOL) then I think it's pointless arguing with you lol.

[m00ks]

By the way Ultimate, out of curiosity, how many Pac fighst have you seen?

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If that were the case, then Ayala should have handled MAB pretty well. Or did MAB show that since he KOD Ayala, Pac's faith is th same?

If you're saying that the only difference between Pac and Ayala is that Pac leaves himself more open (LOL) then I think it's pointless arguing with you lol.

hehe u saw that ayala tha Barrera fought... he had love handles, was slow, and didnt apply any pressure. thats who ur talking about.

The Morales vs Ayala torrent just went up on boxing torrent check it out. And see a very different ayala.

Im not saying they fight exactly the same, but from watching that fight you can see Pacquiao's most devastating 1-2 punch combo would be nearly ineffective against morales. They throw it the same, same stance, jab, then a right. Only pacquiao announces to the world when he is about to throw that killer left.

The first time i saw him i believe was a little before ledwaba, then i went to see him live in San Francisco, against Agapito Sanchez.

I been watching him ever since. Exciting fighter, i was probably one of the very fer non phillipino boxing fans that was not surprised when pac beat mab.

[m00ks]

hehe u saw that ayala tha Barrera fought... he had love handles, was slow, and didnt apply any pressure. thats who ur talking about.

The Morales vs Ayala torrent just went up on boxing torrent check it out. And see a very different ayala.

Im not saying they fight exactly the same, but from watching that fight you can see Pacquiao's most devastating 1-2 punch combo would be nearly ineffective against morales. They throw it the same, same stance, jab, then a right. Only pacquiao announces to the world when he is about to throw that killer left.

The first time i saw him i believe was a little before ledwaba, then i went to see him live in San Francisco, against Agapito Sanchez.

I been watching him ever since. Exciting fighter, i was probably one of the very fer non phillipino boxing fans that was not surprised when pac beat mab.

Ima download it thanx.

Pac does have a killer 1-2. Although you think that he anounces it to the world then wouldn't you think that his opponents who studied and faced him would have the common sense to avoid them?
MAB SURELY knew about it and yet still got floored by one of those. Even when JMM had the common sense to avoid it after teh 2nd round, Pac still conencted with them. Proof? Marquez' nose kept bleeding after it stopped several times. My point is that you can downright know he'll throw it in the fight. Heck I'd give you my life savings if he doesn't. Avoiding it in it's proper speed is the trick. Manny aims with it. You saw how Ledwaba tried ducking it. Pac still floored him with the same punch.

**MAB match should be proof that Manny can throw other punces. When your're throwing 8-10 punch combos, you can't be called 1D.

On a side note, that's pretty awesome that you saw the Sanchez fight. LOL I bet ou were disappointed it was a draw lol. Or that it didn't even finish decisively!

[teakay]

I think Diego would be more open to Morales shots and not have the speed to give him trouble like Juan Diaz.

Diego goes down when the punches are right on the button (his chin), and that is Morale's strength. He will tag diego on the righ on the chin repeatedly and it will look a lot like when Diego fought mayweather.

They wont be damaging shots but diego will keep going down. His corner and the ref wont have a choice.

Morales is no where as quick as Mayweather. And he has no where close to the power of Frietas so how will Morales be able to put Diego down repeatedly if he couldn't even hurt Barrera?

Corrales won't even have to land clean shots to put Morales on his ass.

I see this as a huge mismatch. If this fight happens we may see Morales crying "No Mas".

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Ima download it thanx.

Pac does have a killer 1-2. Although you think that he anounces it to the world then wouldn't you think that his opponents who studied and faced him would have the common sense to avoid them?
MAB SURELY knew about it and yet still got floored by one of those. Even when JMM had the common sense to avoid it after teh 2nd round, Pac still conencted with them. Proof? Marquez' nose kept bleeding after it stopped several times. My point is that you can downright know he'll throw it in the fight. Heck I'd give you my life savings if he doesn't. Avoiding it in it's proper speed is the trick. Manny aims with it. You saw how Ledwaba tried ducking it. Pac still floored him with the same punch.

**MAB match should be proof that Manny can throw other punces. When your're throwing 8-10 punch combos, you can't be called 1D.

On a side note, that's pretty awesome that you saw the Sanchez fight. LOL I bet ou were disappointed it was a draw lol. Or that it didn't even finish decisively!

Most definitely i see where ur getting at, but thats exactly what i mean he uses the jab as a range finder, Marquez kept getting tagged ur right he didnt avoid it all the time but he did enough times to make pac a little weary. Anyway i dont think it will be about avoiding the left it will be about throwing the straight right and hook when he gets in position. Pacquiao tends to really widen his stance, then the jab for range and BOOM explosion, When Marquez made the biggest statements in the fight was when he capitalized on this by throwing the right when pacquiao setting up.

I know he'll hit morales with it but i believe they wont be as accurate with him (right on the chin). Morales tends to move a lot more, Guards his chin a lot more as well, and what could possibly be the ***** in mannys pacquiao, will chase many as many backs straight up for the full length of the ring if he has to, keeping manny from pulling a barrera/marquez in which pac backed off, the pressure from him was dropped by his opponents, and he came back with right- left and downt hey went.