Barrera has been "calling out" pac........time to walk the walk. This is mandatory, GBP has no say in this even if he doesn't like both Arum and Pac.
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I always respected Pac most, not for his ability to knock mother****ers out, but for his ability to leave all his personal problem & superstar status outside the ring & giving 110% each time out, but I think this time around it might be too hard to handle. He's got people close to him telling him to take several different path(some only thinking about their own pockets & trying to manipulate him). It just seems like a real tough situation to go through without leaving with serious doubts about those people you think you trust.Comment
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One thing to consider is how all these convoluted management games will impact on Pac's performance in the ring.
Pac doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who deals well with complications, in or out of the ring, & can he put all this to the side and just focus on the business at hand when it come time to face a good fighter?
Against Marquez or even Barrera this could be fatal -
Marquez likely to be very focused this time around, & focused Marquez spells very bad news for an unfocused Pac, who has shown the ability to pick apart the focused version;
and even a greatly reduced Barrera might well be able to use his vast ring experience to frustrate him.
Suppose we'll find out when the time comes.Comment
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I have no intention to put your comment down, Tex. I just find the situation that boxing is in as truly funny and the sentence in your statement that I converted to bold letters for emphasis (above quoted), highlights that situation. You pointed that out well.Originally posted by Pinoy_Texan View Post
I find it really funny the way you put it. But it is stark: the reigning champion (Barrera-WBC) engages in an elimination fight against a challenger not ranked in the weight class (Marquez who is ranked as a Featherweight) to earn the right to fight the nominal No. 1 Contender (Paquiao who is merely "International Champion").
It's a world that's upside down, inside out and every which way but logical and orderly. But it's the world created for us by promoters and governing alphabet bosses. And fans like us who foot the bill so they can have their huge shares don't have a say. We're forced to take what we're served.
The last part is, of course, not funny at all. But let's just laugh. Laughter is better for the heart.
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Try as I do, I can't find a reason for Pacquiao to trust Wakee Salud, who is notorious for his widely believed involvement in illegal ******** in the Philippines and whose knowledge of the intricacies of world-scale boxing cannot be much better than Pacquiao's. If Pacquiao follows Salud, it shall be worse than the blind leading the blind; it shall be a case of the sleazy blind leading the unsuspecting blind.
With that said, the order of the WBC must be heeded by Barrera and the organization's bigwigs must see to it that they are heeded. Barrera's failure should mean his stripping of the title. That opens the door for Manny against the second highest ranking fighter in WBC's ratings to meet for the vacant throne. Barrera can meet JMM for whatever something that someone would come up with. Then, Paquiao could face whoever wins the Barrera-JMM fight, in defense of the title that Barrera vacated and Manny shall have by then (expectedly) won.
The fight between Manny and the No. 2 contender can be on purse bid. The court batttle is between ARum and Oscar; Manny, totally, has, as far as I have learned, not been brought to it. The court case is not whether Pacquiao has reneged. It is about tortouos interference and not breach of contract. It is about the malicious and, perhaps the criminal character of the circumstances that the two contracts were executed. Arum claims that Oscar's contract was invalid because Pacquiao had been misled, while Oscar claims that Arum is grabbing straws and has misled Manny into signing the second contract because Manny's commitment under the contract covering the third Morales fight does not apply to circumstances that can occur after the fight.
I liken the dispute to a civil case between two people fighting over a piece of land. The adversaries are the ones on each other's throats. The land disputed is neither respondent nor plaintiff. It is the corpus delicti. Who wins, gets the land.Comment
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Reaction to fears that Don King might get into the fray through purse bid:
I don't see how Don King's winning a purse bid to promote Pacquiao-Barrera II can have long term and dire consequences on the careers of either fighter or both. It shall be a one-shot deal. Winning purse bids does not mean fighters involved in fights put on bid shall be tied to the winning promoters for fights subsequent to the specific encounter put on the block. Purse bid victories do not have automatic provisions for a carry over.
Don King, if he is really interested, can (somewhat) refurbish his much tarnished image, if he comes to the rescue. I don't mind Don posing as cavalry. He has appointed himself for several other roles in the past. It is not a bad idea for Don King to have an Extreme Make-over while making a lot of $$$$s while doing it.
A couple of questions, though: Shan't Oscar and/or Arum ask the court to issue a restraining order? If they do, shall the court grant the motion?Comment
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Bob and Oscar don't need to find a way. They just need to let the fight go to purse bid. The problem with that is that King, or Duva, or Gary Shaw, or anyone else can bid on this fight and then GBPs and Top Rank would not make a penny off their fighters for one of the biggest fights in boxing. A purse bid benefits Barrera BIG TIME since he earns 75% of the bid as the champion and Pac would only make 25% (minus fees, of course).Originally posted by CoLd_WaVE View Post
Only Barrera can decide not to face Pac. The choice lies with him alone and GBPs has no say in it since it will go to purse bid if they don't come to terms.
I don't think a court would issue a restraining order against Pac to fight. Since this is more than likely going to purse bid, it goes to the highest bidder. I can see GBPs trying for this is TR wins, but I don't think a court would issue it because this fight is not contingent on any promotional contract once it goes to bid.Originally posted by grayfist View PostComment
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I am leaning towards your position, PR...Originally posted by PRboxingfan View Post
While the Oscar-Arum contest is unresolved, Pacquiao can be construed as a free-agent anyway. Two promoters are wrangling over the rights to promote him and, thus, neither clearly owns him. If nobody clearly owns him, then, there can be no restrictions on who he fights based on WBC's rulings.
Plus, there's the point you made in the comment quoted above about the nuances of purse bids.
But, courts have sometimes shown this quirky habit of imposing its will on governing bodies in manners that run roughshod over the customary way alphabet organizations do business (and I am not saying such interventions are not often welcome; those alphabet boys deserve some spanking every now and then). So, while I agree with you and fervently hope you are correct, I also (timorously) keep an eye out for what eventuates.
I may be wrong, but jurisprudence that I can remember seems to favor the holding of the fight on purse bid. This means that the possibility of a judge refusing to issue a restraining order has better chances... in my eyes (as it is obviously in yours too). Courts appear to have often shown a tendency to lean towards putting fighters in the ring where championship matters (about which a Barrera-Pacquiao II in essence is) can and should be resolved.
Also, I agree with you that it is now Barrera's move.
Great to have similar takes with a widely respected poster such as you PR...!
Note: Thanks for the K's! Tried to send you some but was told I have to spread more around. I'll get to it ASAP.Last edited by grayfist; 12-16-2006, 10:09 PM.Comment
It's a world that's upside down, inside out and every which way but logical and orderly. But it's the world created for us by promoters and governing alphabet bosses. And fans like us who foot the bill so they can have their huge shares don't have a say. We're forced to take what we're served. 
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