Pac/Floyd investigation, documented punches (disputed rounds) blow by blow

[travestyny]

This thread is here. Right? No problem in speaking the truth.

- There was no independent investigation on Floyd Mayweather's illegal WADA-banned IV. USADA knew it. Floyd knew it.

- Even USADA calls it "an inherent conflict of interest".



Thanks,
Hope all is well with your family.

I'm not getting into this with you again. Absolutely ridiculous. The TUEC is an independent group of doctors that investigated what was done. It's over. Try to move on for fvvck sake.

[blowblow]

Here is a 60 minute interview where USADA said that Lance Armstrong's representatives giving money to the UCI and USADA would be totally inappropriate.

USADA calls it "an inherent conflict of interest"


Well, that is what Floyd's representatives did for each of Floyd's fights.

oh man why did you show this fact here? floyd fangirls will get cornered.. i don't know how are they going to defend it?

[Zaroku]

This fight happed 5+ years ago?
this thread is tired - in slow motion of course!!

[ADP02]

I'm not getting into this with you again. Absolutely ridiculous. The TUEC is an independent group of doctors that investigated what was done. It's over. Try to move on for fvvck sake.

1) You forgot one important part of what you stated. Who establishes this group? USADA

2) WRONG: There was no independent investigation. The TUEC, that is established by USADA, read some documents that were put forth in front of them by Floyd's people. There was a scandal but the people who should be independent (WADA) never investigated the Floyd IV scandal nor did they even do a basic look over at the TUEC. USADA knows this would be the case and Floyd and his people were aware of this too.


This was a case of the fox looking over the hens and nobody can do anything about it.







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[travestyny]

1) You forgot one important part of what you stated. Who establishes this group? USADA

2) WRONG: There was no independent investigation. The TUEC, that is established by USADA, read some documents that were put forth in front of them by Floyd's people. There was a scandal but the people who should be independent (WADA) never investigated the Floyd IV scandal nor did they even do a basic look over at the TUEC. USADA knows this would be the case and Floyd and his people were aware of this too.


This was a case of the fox looking over the hens and nobody can do anything about it.
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Uh....no. They don't have any name on the documents, and the lab that did the testing isn't owned by USADA. We've gone through this already. Pacquiao lost not because of EPO (which you epically and falsely claimed was a threshold substance), but because his skill didn't match up with Floyd's. The end.


Ps. But hey, if you want to keep believing Floyd cheated (just like everyone according to you cheats when things don't go your way), go right ahead. Nothing is going to change that Pacquiao lost. He lost.

[ADP02]

Uh....no. They don't have any name on the documents, and the lab that did the testing isn't owned by USADA. We've gone through this already. Pacquiao lost not because of EPO (which you epically and falsely claimed was a threshold substance), but because his skill didn't match up with Floyd's. The end.


Ps. But hey, if you want to keep believing Floyd cheated (just like everyone according to you cheats when things don't go your way), go right ahead. Nothing is going to change that Pacquiao lost. He lost.

USADA knew about Floyd's IV, right? That is what they both said.

"Mr. Mayweather applied for and was granted a The****utic Use Exemption (TUE) by USADA for an IV infusion"
"Mayweather did disclose the infusion to USADA"
"USADA issued Mayweather's exemption for the IV use three weeks after the fight, which is unusual."

Every statement above has Floyd then USADA ... hand in hand.


Like I said, there was no check on USADA and Floyd. It shouldn't work that way but it did. It was a case heard around the world but they knew that WADA wouldn't even look at this case let alone investigate it. Consequently, Floyd and USADA had NOTHING to worry about. They just had to follow the normal steps and stamp everything (USADA's approvals).





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[travestyny]

USADA knew about Floyd's IV, right? That is what they both said.

"Mr. Mayweather applied for and was granted a The****utic Use Exemption (TUE) by USADA for an IV infusion"
"Mayweather did disclose the infusion to USADA"
"USADA issued Mayweather's exemption for the IV use three weeks after the fight, which is unusual."

Every statement above has Floyd then USADA ... hand in hand.


Like I said, there was no check on USADA and Floyd. It shouldn't work that way but it did. It was a case heard around the world but they knew that WADA wouldn't even look at this case let alone investigate it. Consequently, Floyd and USADA had NOTHING to worry about. They just had to follow the normal steps and stamp everything (USADA's approvals).
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Of course he declared it to USADA. That's what he was supposed to do.

How could they know what WADA would do? That doesn't make any sense. Not to mention that the labs report everything directly to WADA.

EPO (which there is absolutely no proof of him taking) did not make Mayweather beat Pacquiao that day. Even Kellerman and Lampley, bigger Pac fans, admit he lost. It's time to move on.

[ADP02]

Of course he declared it to USADA. That's what he was supposed to do.

How could they know what WADA would do? That doesn't make any sense. Not to mention that the labs report everything directly to WADA.

EPO (which there is absolutely no proof of him taking) did not make Mayweather beat Pacquiao that day. Even Kellerman and Lampley, bigger Pac fans, admit he lost. It's time to move on.

As you are aware, Floyd's IV scandal made news worldwide.

So others were just as shocked why USADA allowed Floyd to get a RETRO TUE. Remember that I showed you that even head of WADA TUEC and doctor said it was "fishy", "Red Flags",.....?


Well, others such as "Verbruggen sent out several detailed letters addressed to members of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA)."

Included are question on weak/questionable anti-doping protocols, ethics, The Floyd Mayweather case, USADA violated the Code, The Russian case and the preferential treatment of USADA, by WADA.


You Floyd fans fallback has always been that USADA wouldn't risk it because of big brother WADA possibly reviewing and investigating Floyd's case.



Verbruggen concerns include the following:


THE FLOYD MAYWEATHER CASE

"If it were not for these articles(by Hauser), the case probably would have passed unnoticed."
"The administration of this IV was the use of a prohibited method under WADA’s prohibited list."
"A request for a retroactive The****utic Use Exemption for the IV was made by Mr Mayweather on
May 19, almost three weeks after the test on May 1. The TUE was granted by USADA on May 20
according to Hauser and on May 21 according to USADA.

This raises serious questions."


Floyd was witnessed by the DCO to have drank a lot of fluids yet still request for an IV.
"WADA in its International Standard for Testing and Investigations (ISTI) instructs DCO’s not to allow
athletes to rehydrate excessively as this may impair the quality of the samples"

"Furthermore, it seems also far from obvious that the conditions for a retroactive TUE referred to in
article 4.3 ISTUE were met, in particular whether emergency treatment or treatment of an acute
medical condition was necessary."

"Surprisingly it took USADA just about 24 hours to examine all these issues and to grant a TUE"


""As the granting of this TUE cannot have escaped WADA’s attention, if only for the publicity it was
given, the question arises whether WADA has reviewed USADA’s decision to grant this retroactive
TUE."
"And if WADA did review the TUE, the question is why WADA has not reversed it?"



Verbruggen's other concern is what I posted the other day. Floyd's representatives paying USADA a truck load of money.
"Here Mr Tygart’s USADA accepted 136.487.72 $ from two athletes for 22 tests to be conducted on
the same athletes.

Is this then good governance in anti-doping according to WADA?"

and that was for only the Floyd vs Pacquiao fight. Floyd's representatives gave USADA lots of money over the years.




Verbruggen received a response from WADA
"When I asked WADA president Reedie about this, he wrote
me: …
“USADA issued their responses and I can only assume the matter is being dealt with by their
Board”(!)

"while it is clearly WADA’s task under the Code to review TUE’s. Here also I refer to the
opinion of the IC that
“a fair and unbiased investigation… is not possible when an implicated party is
conducting the investigation”. Certainly, in WADA’s vision, this applies to all, except when WADA
and USADA are involved........; then even, the USADA Board is a non-implicated, unbiased party if it
has to judge USADA........!!




Verbruggen sent a follow-up letter since he was too shocked at WADA's initial response.

Here is WADA's response:
"The role and possible responsibilities of WADA in reviewing or not reviewing
the granting of the retroactive TUE to Floyd Mayweather

RESPONSE: "Floyd Mayweather’s fight was organized in the United States by private
promoters operating under licensing regulations in the State of Nevada, which do not
include the Code. USADA had a specific contract with them to undertake anti-doping
activities, however this was not falling under the code, and WADA had no
jurisdictional oversight of these activities. WADA did not receive this TUE."



So USADA NEVER sent WADA the RETRO TUE!!!!

Like I said, USADA knew that and Floyd knew that would be the case.

















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[travestyny]

As you are aware, Floyd's IV scandal made news worldwide.

So others were just as shocked why USADA allowed Floyd to get a RETRO TUE. Remember that I showed you that even head of WADA TUEC and doctor said it was "fishy", "Red Flags",.....?


Well, others such as "Verbruggen sent out several detailed letters addressed to members of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA)."

Included are question on weak/questionable anti-doping protocols, ethics, The Floyd Mayweather case, USADA violated the Code, The Russian case and the preferential treatment of USADA, by WADA.


You Floyd fans fallback has always been that USADA wouldn't risk it because of big brother WADA possibly reviewing and investigating Floyd's case.



Verbruggen concerns include the following:


THE FLOYD MAYWEATHER CASE

"If it were not for these articles(by Hauser), the case probably would have passed unnoticed."
"The administration of this IV was the use of a prohibited method under WADA’s prohibited list."
"A request for a retroactive The****utic Use Exemption for the IV was made by Mr Mayweather on
May 19, almost three weeks after the test on May 1. The TUE was granted by USADA on May 20
according to Hauser and on May 21 according to USADA.

This raises serious questions."


Floyd was witnessed by the DCO to have drank a lot of fluids yet still request for an IV.
"WADA in its International Standard for Testing and Investigations (ISTI) instructs DCO’s not to allow
athletes to rehydrate excessively as this may impair the quality of the samples"

"Furthermore, it seems also far from obvious that the conditions for a retroactive TUE referred to in
article 4.3 ISTUE were met, in particular whether emergency treatment or treatment of an acute
medical condition was necessary."

"Surprisingly it took USADA just about 24 hours to examine all these issues and to grant a TUE"


""As the granting of this TUE cannot have escaped WADA’s attention, if only for the publicity it was
given, the question arises whether WADA has reviewed USADA’s decision to grant this retroactive
TUE."
"And if WADA did review the TUE, the question is why WADA has not reversed it?"



Verbruggen's other concern is what I posted the other day. Floyd's representatives paying USADA a truck load of money.
"Here Mr Tygart’s USADA accepted 136.487.72 $ from two athletes for 22 tests to be conducted on
the same athletes.

Is this then good governance in anti-doping according to WADA?"

and that was for only the Floyd vs Pacquiao fight. Floyd's representatives gave USADA lots of money over the years.




Verbruggen received a response from WADA
"When I asked WADA president Reedie about this, he wrote
me: …
“USADA issued their responses and I can only assume the matter is being dealt with by their
Board”(!)

"while it is clearly WADA’s task under the Code to review TUE’s. Here also I refer to the
opinion of the IC that
“a fair and unbiased investigation… is not possible when an implicated party is
conducting the investigation”. Certainly, in WADA’s vision, this applies to all, except when WADA
and USADA are involved........; then even, the USADA Board is a non-implicated, unbiased party if it
has to judge USADA........!!




Verbruggen sent a follow-up letter since he was too shocked at WADA's initial response.

Here is WADA's response:
"The role and possible responsibilities of WADA in reviewing or not reviewing
the granting of the retroactive TUE to Floyd Mayweather

RESPONSE: "Floyd Mayweather’s fight was organized in the United States by private
promoters operating under licensing regulations in the State of Nevada, which do not
include the Code. USADA had a specific contract with them to undertake anti-doping
activities, however this was not falling under the code, and WADA had no
jurisdictional oversight of these activities. WADA did not receive this TUE."



So USADA NEVER sent WADA the RETRO TUE!!!!

Like I said, USADA knew that and Floyd knew that would be the case.






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I can't believe you are still going with this. Once again:

1. This was not revealed by Hauser. The IV was first mentioned by Kevin Iole, I believe. No one thought anything of it because there was no big deal until Hauser began making a bunch of false accusations. Some of which he had to walk back.

2. It has already been stated that WADA wasn't in charge of this. However, if USADA broke any of WADA's rules, then USADA would have to answer to WADA for that. All of the lab work that was done is sent to WADA as per the lab's rules. If they didn't have to review the TUE, then that is a fair point. A WADA spokesperson already spoke on this. From your same site:

“For a case that would be monitored by WADA, yes the ISTUE could allow for intravenous infusions to be used in instances of dehydration”, a WADA spokesperson told the Sports Integrity Initiative. However, the spokesperson added: “This case is not one that is monitored by WADA because the World Boxing Council is not a signatory to the Code. We understand that USADA was contracted to conduct the anti-doping program for this fight, however.”

The lab work still had to be consistent, meaning that the sample had to pass the specific gravity test and if not, the lab would flag it and send the report to WADA. Being that the specific gravity of the sample had to be met, there is no chance that the sample wouldn't have failed had Mayweather had anything in the sample. And if there were anything in the sample and he failed, a TUE would not allow it to be swept under the rug because the TUE was only for a method, not for a substance.

3. Common sense tells anyone that if USADA wanted to help Mayweather cheat, there would be no TUE and no one would have ever known about any of this.

4. (I can keep going because every time I walk away from this post, I'm reminded of the past when you guys threw anything at the wall trying to make it stick). Before it was all about Mayweather cycling off. Now he's taking things before the day of the fight to get an advantage while USADA watches and documents it all. What the hell would he take the day before the fight to help him? Training is over. It makes no sense.

Move on with your life. Pacquiao lost. Two men got in the ring and one was better. The end.

[blowblow]

mayweather cannot live his perfect career without cheating. he accused anyone for cheating but forgot to look at himself who has been TUE.. i wonder why his fans still thinks he was clean.. he destroyed boxing long time ago..