Pac/Floyd investigation, documented punches (disputed rounds) blow by blow

[Dosumpthin]

What? ABP does not directly detect if the substance was in the athlete sample at the time of getting the athlete's sample. I never said it did.

I said already that it is an indirect EPO test! Direct or indirect, one of the ABP modules is still a test for EPO! In some ways it is a better test since the EPO drug is not in your system for a long time while it's affects are still present.

Even WADA brings up why they are using ABP. They have several modules. Their hematological module (blood module), it's to indirectly test for EPO and blood transfusions. In certain cases, they can determine that there is strong evidence of EPO abuse. How? Because certain parameters/results give that indication.

They also use ABP testing as a screening test for ==>> direct EPO testing since direct approach is costly and time consuming, they do not do direct testing on everyone.






Whizzinator was about masking the drug used and/or its masking agent:
Sorry but it was you that took that out of context. Is Whizzinator the only way to mask? Nope! Yet it seems that is all you know about!

Here is the interview from early 2010. The interview happened after Floyd vs Manny fight didn't happen.

BTW - Travis Tygart works for USADA and was well aware of ABP:

Q: If I had 72 hours, could I mask EPO?
A: "Yeah."
Q: If I knew it was coming, I could mask it?
A: "Yeah. Same with steroids."
Q: How quickly could I mask it? What's the shortest time frame, if I knew it was coming, that I could mask it?
A: "I mean, we do no notice. We literally show up, and knock on a door, and we find them."
Q: My question is, if I knew 20 hours before the test, would I have time to mask it? Six hours? One hour? What would it be?
A: "Yep, all that."
Q: If I knew 10 minutes before test, could I mask it?
A: "Yep. If you had some urine and a Whizzinator, 10 minutes before, you could mask it. If you had a catheter, which is not that tough to do, you could do it."
Q: What about blood testing? Could I mask it then?
A: "For transfusions, the 14 days is not going to give you much concern. The evidence of the transfusion will stay in your system longer than the 14 days. But the human growth hormone, for sure not."


ABP - It is another test that WADA can use in their arsenal. BUT it is not going to catch everyone because the athletes know how they can beat it. Some get caught but quite a few do not.


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"BTW - Travis Tygart works for USADA and was well aware of ABP"

LOL - idiot

This is why you have ZERO credibility. Never mind TYGART CLEARLY STATES HES TALKING ABOUT NSAC TESTING......

The ABP steroid module (URINE) was implemented Jan 2014.


Smh...... 2010 quote about a Whizzinator.....smh again.






I don't think I have to say anything else. - wait - DO I NEED TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU?

[Vadrigar.]

Did he just admit to pu$$ying out? LMFAO yes he did.

He pu$$ied out.

The biatch pu$$ied out.

It's over.

Flawless victory.





















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KABOOM!

[travestyny]

Did you enjoy the latest show in the Thunderdome? I know I did. Thanks for lurking in the thread. Hope you saw what you were camped out for.

[Vadrigar.]

Watch and weep.

Floyd objectively lost.

[ADP02]

"BTW - Travis Tygart works for USADA and was well aware of ABP"

LOL - idiot

This is why you have ZERO credibility. Never mind TYGART CLEARLY STATES HES TALKING ABOUT NSAC TESTING......

The ABP steroid module (URINE) was implemented Jan 2014.


Smh...... 2010 quote about a Whizzinator.....smh again.






I don't think I have to say anything else. - wait - DO I NEED TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU?

It seems like you just want to disagree. Got it!

You said that there was no ABP testing at that time. There was!

The interview was about testing for the upcoming Floyd vs Mosley fight and the issues with the Manny/Floyd negotiations of 2009/2010. Manny was OK with giving "urine" but was not OK with giving "blood".

Just be honest. You said that there was no ABP tests at the time. There was a ABP test set up for Haematological (blood) module and I even told you! If you want to say that there was no steroidal ABP test, well that is another story ... but you did not!

Even then, there were parts of that module too already being used. I'm sure that Tygart knew too!


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[ADP02]

Dr Catlin didn't say that the BAP is not a threshold type test. In fact, [B]he said it was a threshold test!
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What you fail to understand is that BAP is a test criteria done by the lab. Dr Catlin said that he tested using other criteria as well that were just as reliable.


Just so you understand:

TEST #1: Lets go back to the T/E Ratio threshold test. It is currently used to screen athletes with a 4/1 RATIO. If the urine passed the threshold then that is a positive. Then the urine will follow the confirmation processes. That confirmation process may confirm or reject the 4/1 RATIO test.

So if lets say TEST #2's results disagrees with TEST #1, does that make the T/E RATIO test no longer a threshold test? No!!!! the test is still a threshold type test!!!!
Think about that one and you will get your answer!




It's unfortunate that you saw that document about threshold substances because it has you all confused.


For Threshold substance, the threshold result stands alone primarily. What the panel was trying to state is that the BAP threshold criteria is NOT like that just like the current T/E RATIO test is not like that. If there is another sound test that shows a different result and it makes sense, then that is just as reliable.


The athlete had 79.5% which was just below the 80% threshold. It was close to the threshold. So the additional data provided the proof that was needed that the chances of this being a false positive was very low.


You are thinking and said that the panel was explaining to the athlete and others to not get themselves confused and that only threshold substances can have threshold type tests but that is not the case.


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SO you're saying you didn't say it was a threshold substance?



Liar. Plus.....


ADP WON'T ANSWER QUESTIONS AGAINNNN . LMAOOOOOO.


1. What is the threshold for the BAP?

2. Is the BAP in the WADA TD2014 EPO document?

3. Did the court say the BAP specifically is not a threshold?

4. Did the court say specifically that there is NO THRESHOLD for EPO?


YOU GONNA ANSWER?

So I was right! You do have some sort of comprehension problem!

I told YOU that I said "threshold substance" in a post.

I said the same when I responded to Vadrigar and I know that you read that post since you even replied and quoted this!!!

Originally Posted by ADP02
The dude got hung up on me saying in a post "threshold substance" and tried to tie it to mean as phrased in a separate WADA document instead of understanding what I meant by it. That is, EPO has threshold type test.

I even told you multiple times that EPO is not a "threshold substance". Maybe 200 times! I think more!


You on the other hand YOU cannot admit that YOU ARE WRONG, TRAVESTYNY ... the EPO WADA EXPERTs are RIGHT!





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[ADP02]

Apparently, Travestyny has a PHD in Fl0mo science that's why she is better than any doctor lololololol

Travestyny just cannot admit that he is WRONG!

[travestyny]

So I was right! You do have some sort of comprehension problem!

I told YOU that I said "threshold substance" in a post.

I said the same when I responded to Vadrigar and I know that you read that post since you even replied and quoted this!!!




I even told you multiple times that EPO is not a "threshold substance". Maybe 200 times! I think more!

Liarrrrrrrr. What was all of this about, ADP? When did you finally answer those questions below?????

You said it must be a partial list because EPO wasn’t there. So that shows that you believed EPO was a threshold substance, didn’t you?
Admit you are wrong.

IS EPO A THRESHOLD SUBSTANCE?????? YES OR NO. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO ASK YOU?

IS.....EPO....A....THRESHOLD...SUBSTANCE!!!!!! LOOK AT YOU ****ING SQUIRMING.

IS EPO A THRESHOLD SUBSTANCE? Yes or no???

Is EPO a threshold substance? Yes or no. The list of ducks is growing!

Let's try this yet again. Is EPO a threshold substance? This requires a simple "yes" or "no." Are you ever going to stop ducking and deflecting so that you can answer this question?

you still won't answer my simple question?
IS EPO A THRESHOLD SUBSTANCE? YES OR NO?

OH I'M WRONG, HUH? LET'S SEE YOU PUT YOUR ACCOUNT WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS.

do you want to have someone unbiased look at the WADA documents that I linked you to and decide if EPO is a threshold substance?

Sure, go ahead.

THEN WE GET TO THE THUNDERDOME AND....HE GETS AMNESIA

I was thinking and here is the problem that I think that we will both have. What are we actually arguing about?

Isn't that accurate, ADP?

You on the other hand YOU cannot admit that YOU ARE WRONG, TRAVESTYNY ... the EPO WADA EXPERTs are RIGHT!


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EVERYONE agrees with me. Even the WADA experts as Catlin took part in that court case. Give up

What did the court say the threshold for the BAP was, ADP? You going to answer any questions at all?

I guess you won't. It's over.

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[Spoon23]

Travestyny just cannot admit that he is WRONG!

Dude, didn't you get the memo? That woman has loose screws, you are talking to a brick wall. You go one way, she'll go the other way. You're in 2 dissecting lines. It's pointless.

By the way, I keep tabs on my wins with Travesty. Just for the fun of how I get her fuvked up around here. When she changes topics, that's a means to her folding, when she brings in her go to ALT Dosumpthin to create the illusion someone is agreeing with him, when infact your talking to the same person. That's when you know you've already won, and She's just tryng desperately to make a point by bringing in her fake account that you can obviously see it's one and the same person with the way they (him and his alt) are identical in writing style lmao

Dude, you've scorched Travesty from pillar to post over and over like a twig. You don't have to ask Travesty to fold. No need. It's already a given. Like I said, look at the signs.

[ADP02]

Liarrrrrrrr. What was all of this about, ADP? When did you finally answer those questions below?????

THEN WE GET TO THE THUNDERDOME AND....HE GETS AMNESIA

Isn't that accurate, ADP?




EVERYONE agrees with me. Even the WADA experts as Catlin took part in that court case. Give up

What did the court say the threshold for the BAP was, ADP? You going to answer any questions at all?

I guess you won't. It's over.

Are you serious?

THINK!!!

As I stated, from my end, there was always a criteria that had a threshold type test for EPO. So from the start, I was discussing that ..... you from the start you were discussing something else. You were discussing threshold substances!

That was always the conflict up to this day.

You didn't realize that until we got to the dome. Even then, you still wanted to be sure it wasn't about threshold substances. I said NO .... from my end.


AGAIN THINK!!!!

How could it be about threshold substances? The document related to that didn't have EPO!!! So how can I be going there (Dome) to argue about that! It didn't make any sense ... well except for you!



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