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Originally posted by SUCIO416 View Postso you watched the whole fight in slow motion to find SOME way to prove pac won?
This is about the fight analysis. And yes it is to show who really won that night and it's not the IV dude who paid of USADA 150k lol
The slowmo is only a tool to truly show who landed more throughout the fight. If you can't handle the truth and you are left spouting empty nonsense like most flowtards in here. Then you are nothing but a troll crying over this lmao
# Floyd fan crying in here again with empty logic
# floyd fan can't handle the threat topic
# Floyd fan cannot dispute
# checkmateLast edited by Spoon23; 12-10-2015, 12:12 AM.
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Originally posted by considerthis View PostWhy? I know what i know...that's good enough for me. Obviously you need others to agree with you to reinforce your opinion. Seems hard to come by tho lol.
# all bark no substance for the nth time
# a Floyd fan who didn't read and watch the thread topic at hand but is in here. Obvious much?
# Floyd fan trolling and still crying like a girl
# Floyd fan still can't dispute the thread topic for the nth time
# Floyd fan trolling me again
# stalkerLast edited by Spoon23; 12-10-2015, 12:11 AM.
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Originally posted by Spoon23 View Post# It figures
# all bark no substance for the nth time
# a Floyd fan who didn't read and watch the thread topic at hand but is in here. Obvious much?
# Floyd fan trolling and still crying like a girl
# Floyd fan still can't dispute the thread topic for the nth time
# Floyd fan trolling me again
# stalker
#no life
#pathetic
#mayweather w12 pacquiao
#lolololol
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Originally posted by Spoon23 View Post# time stamp it
# all bark
In the first video (round 2),
At 5:30, you say that Pac's third punch landed and it rocked Floyd, when in reality the sound came from Floyd's left hook. If anything, Pac was the one left off balance as he was diving in and Floyd connected, leaving Pac off balance and stuck in the corner.
From 7:40, you go on saying that Floyd's 4 punches in the clinch don't count. This is wrong since if the ref doesn't tell the fighters to break, the fighters have to fight their way out of it. Before you go "it's Kenny Bayless' fault", Bayless had refed 7 of Pac's fights before, showing that Pac's team had no problem with him as the ref.
At 9:15, you say that Pac lands a left to the body, when Pac CLEARLY misses and almost hits the ring post, followed by a left (a pit-pat punch) and a right that completely misses (you can easily see it at 9:20). You yourself admit that at best they're "grazing shots" not clean punches. Also, for whatever odd reason you think that hitting on the "orbital bone" is less valuable than the chin. The most important factor in judging is if they're clean shots (to the face or the front and sides of the torso) and if they hurt the fighter, not where specifically they land on their face.
At 10:20, the 3 punches by Floyd do count, even if they are in the clinch.
At 10:29, Floyd lands a clean right to Pac's face, and Pac retreats while throwing a right jab. According to you, Pac landed his jab but 1) you can't hear the sound of Pac's punch, 2) Floyd's head doesn't snap back or react.
At 10:31, you very quickly give a point to Pac for his right, with no explanation, even though it lands on Floyd's shoulder/armpit.
At 10:37, you give a point to Pac for landing with his left to Floyd's body. This is incorrect as the sound comes from the second right jab by Pac that lands on Floyd's glove. The left misses.
At 11:06, you don't count the left punch by Floyd to Pac's face that forced Pac to retreat
At 11:26, you give two points to Pac for 1) a right that doesn't connect and 2) a left to Floyd's body that's not visible when they're clinched together.
In summary, 8 of the blows you give to Pac are disputable or nonexistent, while you leave out 9 of Floyd's hits (7 coming from the clinch). If anything, watching the fight in slow motion is more favorable to Floyd since his blows are mainly to either quick jabs or straights to the face.
Also, you claim that the videos go blow by blow and are the FULL three minutes of each round. Yet the videos skip around, for example the first video starts at 2:43 of the second round.
At the end of the day, let it go. Pac lost decisively. He couldn't cope with Floyd's reach and kept on getting hit by Floyd's rights. In terms of defense, Floyd barely got hit by anything Pac threw. Pac didn't have effective aggression because he was just coming forward and not landing anything. If anything, Maidana was more effective than Pac in first fight by smothering Floyd. The sequence at 5:30 shows how much Pac was uncomfortable by lunging in and losing balance. Lastly, Floyd showed greater ring generalship since he was making Pac fight his type of fight. Pac spent most of the fight chasing Floyd and being too out of range to land on him.
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Originally posted by AndreaWard View PostWhy not?
In the first video (round 2),
At 5:30, you say that Pac's third punch landed and it rocked Floyd, when in reality the sound came from Floyd's left hook. If anything, Pac was the one left off balance as he was diving in and Floyd connected, leaving Pac off balance and stuck in the corner.
From 7:40, you go on saying that Floyd's 4 punches in the clinch don't count. This is wrong since if the ref doesn't tell the fighters to break, the fighters have to fight their way out of it. Before you go "it's Kenny Bayless' fault", Bayless had refed 7 of Pac's fights before, showing that Pac's team had no problem with him as the ref.
At 9:15, you say that Pac lands a left to the body, when Pac CLEARLY misses and almost hits the ring post, followed by a left (a pit-pat punch) and a right that completely misses (you can easily see it at 9:20). You yourself admit that at best they're "grazing shots" not clean punches. Also, for whatever odd reason you think that hitting on the "orbital bone" is less valuable than the chin. The most important factor in judging is if they're clean shots (to the face or the front and sides of the torso) and if they hurt the fighter, not where specifically they land on their face.
At 10:20, the 3 punches by Floyd do count, even if they are in the clinch.
At 10:29, Floyd lands a clean right to Pac's face, and Pac retreats while throwing a right jab. According to you, Pac landed his jab but 1) you can't hear the sound of Pac's punch, 2) Floyd's head doesn't snap back or react.
At 10:31, you very quickly give a point to Pac for his right, with no explanation, even though it lands on Floyd's shoulder/armpit.
At 10:37, you give a point to Pac for landing with his left to Floyd's body. This is incorrect as the sound comes from the second right jab by Pac that lands on Floyd's glove. The left misses.
At 11:06, you don't count the left punch by Floyd to Pac's face that forced Pac to retreat
At 11:26, you give two points to Pac for 1) a right that doesn't connect and 2) a left to Floyd's body that's not visible when they're clinched together.
In summary, 8 of the blows you give to Pac are disputable or nonexistent, while you leave out 9 of Floyd's hits (7 coming from the clinch). If anything, watching the fight in slow motion is more favorable to Floyd since his blows are mainly to either quick jabs or straights to the face.
Also, you claim that the videos go blow by blow and are the FULL three minutes of each round. Yet the videos skip around, for example the first video starts at 2:43 of the second round.
At the end of the day, let it go. Pac lost decisively. He couldn't cope with Floyd's reach and kept on getting hit by Floyd's rights. In terms of defense, Floyd barely got hit by anything Pac threw. Pac didn't have effective aggression because he was just coming forward and not landing anything. If anything, Maidana was more effective than Pac in first fight by smothering Floyd. The sequence at 5:30 shows how much Pac was uncomfortable by lunging in and losing balance. Lastly, Floyd showed greater ring generalship since he was making Pac fight his type of fight. Pac spent most of the fight chasing Floyd and being too out of range to land on him.
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Originally posted by AndreaWard View PostWhy not?
In the first video (round 2),
At 5:30, you say that Pac's third punch landed and it rocked Floyd, when in reality the sound came from Floyd's left hook. If anything, Pac was the one left off balance as he was diving in and Floyd connected, leaving Pac off balance and stuck in the corner.
From 7:40, you go on saying that Floyd's 4 punches in the clinch don't count. This is wrong since if the ref doesn't tell the fighters to break, the fighters have to fight their way out of it. Before you go "it's Kenny Bayless' fault", Bayless had refed 7 of Pac's fights before, showing that Pac's team had no problem with him as the ref.
At 9:15, you say that Pac lands a left to the body, when Pac CLEARLY misses and almost hits the ring post, followed by a left (a pit-pat punch) and a right that completely misses (you can easily see it at 9:20). You yourself admit that at best they're "grazing shots" not clean punches. Also, for whatever odd reason you think that hitting on the "orbital bone" is less valuable than the chin. The most important factor in judging is if they're clean shots (to the face or the front and sides of the torso) and if they hurt the fighter, not where specifically they land on their face.
At 10:20, the 3 punches by Floyd do count, even if they are in the clinch.
At 10:29, Floyd lands a clean right to Pac's face, and Pac retreats while throwing a right jab. According to you, Pac landed his jab but 1) you can't hear the sound of Pac's punch, 2) Floyd's head doesn't snap back or react.
At 10:31, you very quickly give a point to Pac for his right, with no explanation, even though it lands on Floyd's shoulder/armpit.
At 10:37, you give a point to Pac for landing with his left to Floyd's body. This is incorrect as the sound comes from the second right jab by Pac that lands on Floyd's glove. The left misses.
At 11:06, you don't count the left punch by Floyd to Pac's face that forced Pac to retreat
At 11:26, you give two points to Pac for 1) a right that doesn't connect and 2) a left to Floyd's body that's not visible when they're clinched together.
In summary, 8 of the blows you give to Pac are disputable or nonexistent, while you leave out 9 of Floyd's hits (7 coming from the clinch). If anything, watching the fight in slow motion is more favorable to Floyd since his blows are mainly to either quick jabs or straights to the face.
Also, you claim that the videos go blow by blow and are the FULL three minutes of each round. Yet the videos skip around, for example the first video starts at 2:43 of the second round.
At the end of the day, let it go. Pac lost decisively. He couldn't cope with Floyd's reach and kept on getting hit by Floyd's rights. In terms of defense, Floyd barely got hit by anything Pac threw. Pac didn't have effective aggression because he was just coming forward and not landing anything. If anything, Maidana was more effective than Pac in first fight by smothering Floyd. The sequence at 5:30 shows how much Pac was uncomfortable by lunging in and losing balance. Lastly, Floyd showed greater ring generalship since he was making Pac fight his type of fight. Pac spent most of the fight chasing Floyd and being too out of range to land on him.
this is much much more better reply from a genius floyd fans than what Zaroku, sleep stings, yusaf mack, alleyescrying, hamburgers and the rest of the minions. even though it is wrong hahahahahhaa
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with adreaward's post genius floyd fans would be coming to this thread in bunches using ward's comment LOL
which they themselves were not able to think of.
the best they could do
meltdowns
whole nations sufferings
butt hurts
move on
and let it go.Last edited by Rath; 12-10-2015, 01:51 AM.
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