Pac/Floyd investigation, documented punches (disputed rounds) blow by blow

[travestyny]

See, you bolded for nothing .... I never duck ....
Now its your turn to respond!


Remember why Floyd was severely dehydrated. He said it was because:
- He gave urine 4 days before
- He gave < 1 tbsp. of blood 10 days before.
- He exercised but admitted on multiple videos this:

FLOYD MAYWEATHER REVEALS HIS PLANS FOR FINAL DAYS LEADING UP TO PACQUIAO SHOWDOWN

"I'm just at home relaxing...watching playoff basketball, watching movies, and just, you know, go to the gym a little bit and shake out...meditate, sit down, cool out," stated undefeated pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather, who talked about what's in store for him in the final days leading up to his May 2 showdown with Manny Pacquiao"








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lol

You initially said that if I answer your question on EPO then YOU, Travestyny, will answer ALL my questions, like you always do.

Well, maybe you are right. You usually spin 1 and avoid 3 questions!!! lol

I'm going by your original post. So yes, I'm waiting for you to answer ALL my questions.


but to help you, look for the 2 diagrams:
"urine production rate after water loading by E.Baldes and F.Smirk"

"urine production rate after water loading by Macallum and Benson"




"Urine rate is ~1ml/min"

"Water consumption of 1–2 liters over a short period of time can lead to dramatic increases in urine production rates to 10 or even 20 mL/min as demonstrated in the charts below."

I'm still trying to figure out what exactly you would like me to do with those charts and your information. These are your questions:

How long would it take Floyd to produce a urine sample of 60-90ml IF Floyd drank .5 liters of water?

Now, how the hell am I supposed to know when you give me a range that goes anywere from 10ml to 20ml/min based on 1-2 liters. Is this like you and that NSAC twat trying to get the MRO to say how much water Nick Diaz would have had to drink to dilute his sample significantly? I can't possibly know this because first of all your information doesn't allow me to give you a specific answer. If you feel like you can give a specific answer, then go for it. All I can say is it would be conceivably less than 60 - 90 minutes. Again, this does not take into account any medical condition he may have had.

How long would it take Floyd to produce a urine sample of 60-90ml IF Floyd drank 1 liter of water?

Again, impossible for me to know. Your range is anywhere from 10ml/min to 20ml/min with 1-2 liters. My guess is less than 60 - 90 minutes.

How long would it take Floyd to produce a urine sample of 60-90ml IF Floyd drank 2 liter of water?

See above. I'm not sure what you want me to do. Again, I'm not trying to duck your question. My guess would be less than 60-90 minutes.

Of course, you are trying to minimize what Floyd drank but in the 2nd gif, you can see that Floyd had drank close to 35-40% of that bottle. The bottle appears to be bigger than 1L but less than 2L.

I agree with you. The bottle appears to be a 1.5L bottle of distilled Fiji brand water. He appears to drink about 35 - 40% of it. So you have reasonable evidence that he drank a little more than a half a liter of water over who knows how much time. Congratulations...?

Plus, being that Floyd was having no problems drinking orally and as he said he felt dehydrated, I would think that he would be drinking a lot more. Right? Or are you saying that Floyd didn't drink anymore because he was not dehydrated? loooooooooooool

I'm saying that I don't know what he drank. Do you?

So for the kicks, that is why I had 500ml(after that video, drank very little or none - but makes no sense if you are supposedly severely dehydrated), or drank most of the water in that bottle > 1 to 1.5 Liters or even showed the DCO that even drinking 2L is not doing the trick.

Going by those diagrams, the increase in urine production rate is quick. In about 45 minutes, urine production was at 8 ml/min.

So again, calculate all possibilities like YOU SAID YOU WOULD!!!

Are you asking me to calculate it based on 8ml/min? Is that what you want?

I'm certainly not going to calculate all of the possibilities from 8ml to 20ml, if that's what you mean. That's ridiculous for something I've already explained to you doesn't even matter. But if you want it for 8ml/min, fine.

If it's 8ml/min, it would take about 11 minutes. Still fail to see your point.

Here was USADA's statement:
"In a USADA memo obtained by USA TODAY Sports, the agency explains how it oversaw the administering of the IV to Mayweather, as well as other information in the SB Nation story it deems inaccurate.

A USADA Doping Control Officer (DCO) came to Mayweather’s home on May 1 to collect a urine sample, however Mayweather was dehydrated and unable to produce one.

So now are you saying that when the DCO first arrived, Floyd was asked to produce a urine sample and was unable to? I've already told you that it makes sense that when the DCO first arrived, they asked him to piss. What else would they ask him to do? If he was only able to give a partial sample at that time, and then had to make it to the weigh-in, doesn't that make sense?

A paramedic was summoned to Mayweather’s home and provided the IV, with the DCO in Mayweather’s presence until the boxer was able to provide a urine sample."

Until he was able to fulfill the required 90ml. So he had the IV and then completed the sample. I'm still not sure what you are making a big deal out of...? Are you trying to say that they are saying he would have never been able to give one if he didn't have the IV? I don't see that in this statement.

You should also recognize that Floyd was dehydrated for the Mosley bout, and the DCO's waited more than 5 hours to get the sample. So again, I don't see your point. He didn't take an IV then and he gave the partial sample immediately. The first sample, obviously was very concentrated. The second sample, in either cases, would not be allowed to be diluted. So.... whether they waited for him to give the sample, or were waiting for his treatment to be over, I still don't see a point.

So to say, not until Floyd had received the IV, was Floyd able to produce the required 90ml. Now if you are objective, you would tell us all that the whole scenario that took place was a complete BS!!!

You are making up your own scenario. I've never read anywhere that said he was only able to provide the 90ml after receiving the IV. What I've read is that he used the IV to treat dehydration. Again, I've never read that he received the IV in order to complete the urine sample. It was stated that the DCO witnessed his condition that made the IV necessary. He had the IV to treat his condition, and he completed the sample after the IV, which does make sense.

Remember that the DCO left at 8pm. How can it take 6+ hours to get 90ml urine sample when Floyd was able to and we saw him drinking easily? and even when using your own calculations from the previous post, it makes Floyd's scenario look very suspect.

None of that makes any sense!

Again, I've never read that it took 6+ hours to get the urine sample. What I've read, and what USADA told you, is that he took the IV to treat his medical condition. And it makes sense that the DCO would stay until the IV was completed and take a sample after the IV was administered, not because it was necessary in order to get the sample, BUT BECAUSE IT WOULD ENSURE THAT HE WASN'T INFUSING AN ILLEGAL SUBSTANCE INTO HIS BODY. If he was treating whatever condition he had, USADA was right to wait after the IV because who knows what could have been in the IV bags. What you have now is a partial, yet undiluted sample, taken before and after the IV. The sample taken after the IV ensures that he wasn't infusing PED's.

You should be happy the DCO did his job well. Otherwise, Mayweather could have waited until the DCO left, infused whatever he liked, and possible not have been caught. Right? I mean...it's not like they would catch him with plasticizers from these bags, right? Think we went over that already.

When you add in that he delayed a partial sample 5+ hours for the Mosley bout...and gave the initial partial sample immediately (and no, it wasn't a drop. It was a fair amount of very dark looking urine if you want to go look it up. I actually couldn't find a copy of it online but I have one in my collection), then either way it's clear that your queries don't amount to anything.

[GhostofDempsey]

Nearly 5,000 posts over a guy who clearly cheated. TBE...The Best Excuses!

[travestyny]

Nearly 5,000 posts over a guy who clearly cheated. TBE...The Best Excuses!

Clearly cheated? If it were so clear, why wasn't the result overturned? And where was the failed drug test?

Doesn't seem so clear, does it?

[GhostofDempsey]

Clearly cheated? If it were so clear, why wasn't the result overturned? And where was the failed drug test?

Doesn't seem so clear, does it?

Corruption runs deep in boxing, especially Vegas. But hey, nothing sketchy at all about an illegal IV the day before a fight and getting an exemption three weeks after the fight.

[travestyny]

Corruption runs deep in boxing, especially Vegas. But hey, nothing sketchy at all about an illegal IV the day before a fight and getting an exemption three weeks after the fight.

Easy to blame it on "vegas corruption" instead of looking at the facts.

How does he cheat and pass 19 drug tests?

How is it illegal when a TUE was approved of by a group of doctors that didn't even have a name on the application?

How is the 3 weeks relevant when a retroactive TUE is a part of the WADA code?


So was it "sketchy" when De La Hoya had an IV before the Pac fight, or was that all good because WADA wasn't doing extra testing? Would love to hear your opinion on that.

Maybe you should educate yourself instead of just throwing around shlt.

[Spoon23]

Corruption runs deep in boxing, especially Vegas. But hey, nothing sketchy at all about an illegal IV the day before a fight and getting an exemption three weeks after the fight.

Spot on!

Only a blind fool can't see the tale tale signs of a sketchy athlete.. cough cough cough.. Traves.. TyNY.. (spits blood)

# Red flags everywhere and fl0mo diehards still thinks he's an angel and won a legit fight lmao

[travestyny]

Spot on!

Only a blind fool can't see the tale tale signs of a sketchy athlete.. cough cough cough.. Traves.. TyNY.. (spits blood)

# Red flags everywhere and fl0mo diehards still thinks he's an angel and won a legit fight lmao

Didn't YOU already expose the inaccuracy of your videos?

@ 9:15 - Oh, Oh, left hook to the body (author failed here it didn't land)

LMAO. Spitting blood because you pulled a T. Fury and punched yaself in the mouth?

[Spoon23]

Didn't YOU already expose the inaccuracy of your videos?




LMAO. Spitting blood because you pulled a T. Fury and punched yaself in the mouth?

lololololol

Making a big deal out of one mistake. Great job Sherlock!

That crack must have been some good shyit to come up with that hahaha!!

[travestyny]

lololololol

Making a big deal out of one mistake. Great job Sherlock!

That crack must have been some good shyit to come up with that hahaha!!

One mistake that he watched in slow motion at least 3 times...but in reality much more than that since he put it in his video and called it a good shot. LMAOOOOO!

So is he blind or what? LMAOOOOO.

You're right...maybe he was smoking crack. Who knows?

@ 9:15 - Oh, Oh, left hook to the body (author failed here it didn't land)

[Spoon23]

One mistake that he watched in slow motion at least 3 times...but in reality much more than that since he put it in his video and called it a good shot. LMAOOOOO!

So is he blind or what? LMAOOOOO.

You're right...maybe he was smoking crack. Who knows?

Maybe because, people aren't perfect and sometimes they get it 99% of the time in a good day, and miss one actually happens in the real world. Unless your a 'god' who's suppose to be perfect, then maybe you have a point

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