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PACMAN is the Asian that made the greatest impact. PACMAN ****d Marco Antonio Barrera on the ring in full view of his rabid fans. MAB was certainly a P4P great at that time and he's still in the top ten P4P right now.Comment
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Plus what is so great about PACMAN is he will fight anyone, anywhere, at any weight.Comment
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Pacquiao's win over Barerra was great, no doubt, but that was still only a win over a featherweight who'd be lucky to crack the all-time top 20 of that division...Fighting Harada twice beat THE single greatest fighter that has EVER fought in the bantamweight division, and those two wins make Pacquiao's win over Barrera seem quite insignificant.Originally posted by lapulapuComment
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Just a glimpse of four fighters mentioned on the posts:
Ceferino Garcia (welterweight/ middleweight) 100 wins (65 KOs), 27 losses, 9 draws.
Memorable fights: Lost on decision to and also held the immortal Henry Armstrong to a draw., in two encounters.
Credited with inventing the "Bolo Punch", now illegal.
Some in the New York press speculated at the time that were it not for the presence of Armstrong, Garcia would have been the main force at welterweight.
Garcia also met the great Barney Ross and lost a close decision.
Pancho Villa-(Fly/ Bantam) 83-7-5 (25 KOs)
Died at the age of 23, soon after facing Jimmy McLarnin with a swollen jaw, an infected tooth having been extracted just hours before he climbed the ring.
Won the world fly title from Jimmy Wilde at the Polo Grounds in 1923. Wilde had only two losses going into the fight.
Was suspended for 8 months by the NYSAC, then the main governing body of the sport, for ducking Frankie Genaro. Villa claimed he was unable to face Genaro because he had injured a shoulder during training.
Was testing the waters in the Bantamweight division when he died.
Fighting Harada (Fly/Bantam/Feather) 55 wins (22 KOs), 7 losses and no draws.
Won the WBA Fly title from Pone Kingpetch of Thailand by TKO11. He lost it in their return match (his first defense) by a very controversial split decision, less than a year later. Many among the Thai press thought of the decision as garbage. Pone, however, subsequently, proved that he was a good champ.
Won the WBC/WBA Bantam diadem by Split decision over the great Eder Jofre in Nagoya; had 3 successful defenses before meeting Jofre in a rematch which he won by UD in Tokyo. Several defenses later, he lost the WBA/WBC Bantam crown to Lionel Ross by MD in Tokyo.
Moved up to featherweight and met Johnny Famechon for the second time (he had earlier lost to Famechon in a non-title tiff). In their second meeting which was held in Sydney, Willie Pep, the ref and sole judge, at first declared Harada winner; then, changed his decision in favor of Famechon amid nasty crowd reaction to the first call. Famechon was Sydney's local hero.
Gabriel "Flash" Elorde (Feather/Jr. Light/ Light) 87 (33)- 27- 2
Acknowledged as the first, widely recognized, Jr. Lightweight world title holder (the division had just been created) after trashing Harold Gomes.
Had failed campaigns in the featherweight division, but can look back to a win over the immortal Sandy Saddler by points in a non-title fight in Manila (Saddler subsequently evened the score by KO'ing Elorde in a title bout in NY).
Went up to Lightweight --even as he held on to the Jr. Light title-- to face Carlos Ortiz but was KOd.
He went back down to Jr. Light; then not too long after, lost the title.
His multiple meetings with Tirou Kosaka of Japan for the Oriental Lightweight crown were sagas many classify as equal to those of any asian boxing rivalries. Elorde won each of those meetings, but had to work plenty to chalk up the victories.
Last edited by grayfist; 12-13-2004, 09:29 PM.Comment
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Right now Flash Elorde has the edge on Pac .
But because Pac is still young and has a long way to go
he has the potential to be IT.
Many say his popularity is already equal to Elorde during Flash' heydey.
And one thing going for Pac is his tremendous international appeal.
By the way grayfist that was some awesome info you just posted there.
Great going ! Nice info on the other two Filipino Greats Ceferino Garcia and Pancho Villa !!Comment
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pac isnt the greatest yet . . . but hes the highest paid asian fighter of all time ( for now! ) . . .Comment
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He has already earned more money than Pancho Villa, Ceferino Garcia, and Flash Elorde (the 3 greatest Filipino boxers) did in their lifetime . Of course the pay was not that high during those times though...Originally posted by byteeComment
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Thanks, pal!Originally posted by THRILLAinMANILA
Garcia and Villa were also huge in their times, it was said.
Garcia, however, defended his title only once in the Philippines; at the Rizal Football Stadium. The immortal Jack Dempsey was ref. The name of his opponent escapes me at the moment, but I remember that he won. I'm guessing that it was on points, but pretty dominant.
I'm not too sure about Villa. Elorde had about half of his fights in Manila. That may account for his enduring popularity.
No TV feeds from the US during Garcia's and Villa's times, you know. Few, if any, images are stuck on the Filipinos' minds, with regard Villa and Garcia.
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That's the reason why Pac is destined to be the greatest Asian Fighter of all time.. He is internationally popular and has taken on the feather greats of his time with more than respectable resultsOriginally posted by grayfistThanks, pal!
Garcia and Villa were also huge in their times, it was said.
Garcia, however, defended his title only once in the Philippines; at the Rizal Football Stadium. The immortal Jack Dempsey was ref. The name of his opponent escapes me at the moment, but I remember that he won. I'm guessing that it was on points, but pretty dominant.
I'm not too sure about Villa. Elorde had about half of his fights in Manila. That may account for his enduring popularity.
No TV feeds from the US during Garcia's and Villa's times, you know. Few, if any, images are stuck on the Filipinos' minds, with regard Villa and Garcia. 
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