James Toney vs Sam Langford

[ShoulderRoll]

Toney has never a champion at Heavyweight.

Edit - Misread OP.

He had lots of those other titles but not a legitimate HW title.

Hard to say who wins the fight really but obviously Langford is the vastly greater fighter.

Langford was never a champion at heavyweight either.

[QueensburyRules]

Langford was never a champion at heavyweight either.

- -Colored title better'n modern abc titles.

Sam also whooped Jeannette for the world title the French stripped JJOHNSON of for not defending vs Joe or Sam. Sam never defended his title that is now forgotten.

Why U ain't never had no proper schoolin'?

[billeau2]

- -Colored title better'n modern abc titles.

Sam also whooped Jeannette for the world title the French stripped JJOHNSON of for not defending vs Joe or Sam. Sam never defended his title that is now forgotten.

Why U ain't never had no proper schoolin'?

I believe there is a case that could be made for that observation (the bolded). I have come to the conclusion that they have to be evaluated differently. The colored fighters were great, sometimes perhaps greater, but they fought each other often, as opposed to the other titles which gave one a "crack" at the champ. Different problems, different approaches.

This match would be interesting. Toney would have to come in light to go rounds with Langford... The fight may look like Marciano Moore... Archie had his moments, countering a "crude" Marciano, but as they say "Marciano's moments were cracking!"

[Dr. Z]

Y'all decide what weights, for what, whatever situations you like.

What brought this about is I believe JT and Lang are the men with the most belts not recognized as major or legitimate titles at HW/CW. I'm including CW because it's not a thing in Sam's time and I just think it's interesting these two great MWs have so many larger than MW titles.

I was just looking to see who is the HW champion of some of these lesser known orgs and Toney comes up quiet often, so I checked CW and man he's there even more. WBF, WBU, IBU, IBA, IBO, and IBC.

Back in the day Langford was easily the king of the unter-belt. He's been crowned by french (FBF Jeanette 10) and british (NSC Hague) and of course his five time Colored HW crown. 1910, 1912, 1914, 1916, and 1917. And the Mexican title in 23.

I thought it was interesting.

15 rounds
1950's style ref
10 point must scoring
Super middle or light heavyweight 168-175 lbs
Indoor fight under AC


I'm going with Langford on points. He his very hard and was ultra tough. Skilled on offense. Toney did not like pressure, he's come in to counter but in the end Langford would out work him.

IMO Toney is a little over rated. I feel McCallum at age 35 edged him in the first fight. Roy Joes clowned him, he lost to Dave Tiberi in an all time robbery, and was very close in winning some of his other matches. The Nunn come from behind K was impressive, but there was no re-match, and Nunn was clearly the better boxer. Mix in some losses at light heavy to less than famous names and it is what it is.

[IronDanHamza]

Langford was never a champion at heavyweight either.

Didn’t say he was.

[IronDanHamza]

Have you ever beaten up a former worlds champion corpse, and gotten paid for doing so? .........Rockin'

No.

But if I did I wouldn’t expect any kind of credit for it.

[ShoulderRoll]

Didn’t say he was.

But you used that as a negative for James Toney.

So it would have to be a negative for Sam Langford too.

[IronDanHamza]

But you used that as a negative for James Toney.

So it would have to be a negative for Sam Langford too.

No I said it because I misread the OP which I stated in the post.

[BKM-]

But you used that as a negative for James Toney.

So it would have to be a negative for Sam Langford too.

He got you there Dan

I wonder how come it took you a little while to get here, usually you're on to a Toney thread within the hour.

[ShoulderRoll]

No I said it because I misread the OP which I stated in the post.

Ah, I see.