Greatest Southpaw Heavyweight Champion (besides Moorer)?

[JAB5239]

- -IBO and WBO more legit than the IBF tubby Lar helped create so he wouldn't have to face his WBC mandatories. The founder relocated to the Big House inside 6 months for fraud.

Funny because I thought Lee didn't get indIcted until around 1995 or so. And can you show ANY PROOF Holmes "helped create" the IBF?

Larry Holmes.....A top 5 all time great heavyweight and successful business man that helps the community....and all you do is make up lies about him. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

[Marchegiano]

- -IBO and WBO more legit than the IBF tubby Lar helped create so he wouldn't have to face his WBC mandatories. The founder relocated to the Big House inside 6 months for fraud.

We are all entitled to opinions of legitimacy but what I am asking about is official recognition and why it only sometimes applies.

You, at the moment, may tell me IBO champions are fine champions, which is fine for you to claim, but, we both know IBO champions are not recognized as a major body champion.

However, the WBO is not recognized as a major until 07 but every single champion prior to 07 is anyway because after 07 the WBO achieved full recognition from the other 3 of the big 4.


Should I expect to see guys like Sebastian on lists like the Wiki list-o-champions in the future if the IBO does get recognition?

Let's pretend in 2030 the IBO is made full and the big four becomes the big five. Does that mean in 2030 you will recognize Sebastian Formella as a legitimate world WW champion in 2018-19?

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Michael Moorer #1.
Chris Byrd #2.

[QueensburyRules]

We are all entitled to opinions of legitimacy but what I am asking about is official recognition and why it only sometimes applies.

You, at the moment, may tell me IBO champions are fine champions, which is fine for you to claim, but, we both know IBO champions are not recognized as a major body champion.

However, the WBO is not recognized as a major until 07 but every single champion prior to 07 is anyway because after 07 the WBO achieved full recognition from the other 3 of the big 4.


Should I expect to see guys like Sebastian on lists like the Wiki list-o-champions in the future if the IBO does get recognition?

Let's pretend in 2030 the IBO is made full and the big four becomes the big five. Does that mean in 2030 you will recognize Sebastian Formella as a legitimate world WW champion in 2018-19?

- -IBF not accepted by the people at inception. It took holmes ducking his mandatories and WBA champs to empower them.

At given time upon their inception, the IBO and WBO had a fine collection of champions.

Let us not considered the WBC TBA reign of Deyonce to be legit just because he held a fraudulent title. The all everything including WBO/IBO champ AJ was the peoples' champ.

[Marchegiano]

- -IBF not accepted by the people at inception. It took holmes ducking his mandatories and WBA champs to empower them.

At given time upon their inception, the IBO and WBO had a fine collection of champions.

Let us not considered the WBC TBA reign of Deyonce to be legit just because he held a fraudulent title. The all everything including WBO/IBO champ AJ was the peoples' champ.

I'm glad you got that out but do you want to answer or continue to tell me about the public and your own personal opinions?

Holmes has nothing to do with the IBF being recognized by both the WBA and WBC. Holmes may be who put the IBF on top in your opinion and it may be a popular opinion but the fact is the IBF was not an official big 3 until the other 2 agreed to it.

At best Holmes is the cause of the agreement not the cause of the ascendance. Like, even in your narrative. So, the ****'s the point in crying about Larry?

How you or anyone else feels about Deontay and Joshua or the WBC, WBO, or IBO has nothing to do with the bodies recognizing one another's champions.

To be clear, I'm not arguing with you I am telling you nothing you've said has anything to do with what I am asking.

If you want to use the IBF, WBO, or IBO as your example I don't really give a damn. All I am interested in is the reasoning behind revising history after a new body has been approved and recognized by the standing bodies.

[Marchegiano]

How about I word this like this:

Is Vitali Klitschko's 26 June 1999 WBO reign a legitimate reign?

If so then how is Lennox Lewis the undisputed champion on November 13, 1999 when Lennox, who held the WBC title, defeated Evander for Evander's WBA and IBF titles?

Is Lennox an illegitimate undisputed or was Vitali's WBO reign illegitimate?


I think it's obvious what my point is but if anyone's guess, I don't know that I recognize Corrie's or Chris's WBO reigns.

[QueensburyRules]

I'm glad you got that out but do you want to answer or continue to tell me about the public and your own personal opinions?

Holmes has nothing to do with the IBF being recognized by both the WBA and WBC. Holmes may be who put the IBF on top in your opinion and it may be a popular opinion but the fact is the IBF was not an official big 3 until the other 2 agreed to it.

At best Holmes is the cause of the agreement not the cause of the ascendance. Like, even in your narrative. So, the ****'s the point in crying about Larry?

How you or anyone else feels about Deontay and Joshua or the WBC, WBO, or IBO has nothing to do with the bodies recognizing one another's champions.

To be clear, I'm not arguing with you I am telling you nothing you've said has anything to do with what I am asking.

If you want to use the IBF, WBO, or IBO as your example I don't really give a damn. All I am interested in is the reasoning behind revising history after a new body has been approved and recognized by the standing bodies.

- -Now U gonna tell me about my personal opinion!

My opinions like everyone's partially formed by those around me. Lar the IBF first or one of the first champs made them known to the public most of whom around me thought a sham.

That they was already being recognized before the WBC/WBA creeps extended an olive branch is after the fact.

Ring editor Doogie recently opined the WBO wasn't recognized til Popkins KOed Oscar as his personal perception.

The IBO often had the top fighter in the division, ie Lewis and most esp Wlad.

After Glenn Johnson KOed Roy, he and Tarver the two top guys but their Orgs wouldn't let them fight, so they vacated with the IBO sanctioning both their fights another example.

Why I always have to lead U boys around by the hand. What, you was all field hands atop the turnip truck that bounced U off onto U on Thick noggins?

[Marchegiano]

- -Now U gonna tell me about my personal opinion!

My opinions like everyone's partially formed by those around me. Lar the IBF first or one of the first champs made them known to the public most of whom around me thought a sham.

That they was already being recognized before the WBC/WBA creeps extended an olive branch is after the fact.

Ring editor Doogie recently opined the WBO wasn't recognized til Popkins KOed Oscar as his personal perception.

The IBO often had the top fighter in the division, ie Lewis and most esp Wlad.

After Glenn Johnson KOed Roy, he and Tarver the two top guys but their Orgs wouldn't let them fight, so they vacated with the IBO sanctioning both their fights another example.

Why I always have to lead U boys around by the hand. What, you was all field hands atop the turnip truck that bounced U off onto U on Thick noggins?

Okay bud, what's that got to do with official recognition?

I got the WBC/A were recognizing the IBF before Larry then a whole bunch of **** about people's opinions.

Was Lennox undisputed or was Vitali's WBO reign an official world champion run? Super simple bud.

[famicommander]

Why are WBO champions before 2007 considered legitimate world champions?

The WBA recognized them in 2000
The WBC recognized them in 2004
The IBF recognized them in 2007

I don't think it needed universal recognition. Just one or two of the other big 3 legitimized the title, especially since Sanders was considered the #2 when he beat Wlad and then went on to challenge Vitali.

[QueensburyRules]

Okay bud, what's that got to do with official recognition?

I got the WBC/A were recognizing the IBF before Larry then a whole bunch of **** about people's opinions.

Was Lennox undisputed or was Vitali's WBO reign an official world champion run? Super simple bud.

- -Vitali disputed everything about Lewie then and now that could be settled today by Lewie ducking Vit for near 20 years now.

Patterson never beat a lineal champ, thus neither did Liston nor Clay and so on.(