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    #91
    What happened was that Dempsey drew the colorline.

    New York Tribune Nov 19:


    TO THINKING men and fair-minded sportsmen the fame and honor !
    of heavyweight Juck Dempsey should in no wise be impaired !
    through the refusal of Fulton's conqueror to box Joe Jeanette. :
    je antiquated negro bruiser.
    So man of sonst- can impute to the refusal a grain of personal I
    ?owardtce. Jeanette, a resurrected ghost of a once powerful fighting
    i.sc.i;-ie. hit tiie down grmle year8 and years aK?* It would have been
    ,;*y next to shame for the promoters to have allowed a real battic be- ;
    lL the two. even had Dempsey been willing.
    Dtmpsey refused not through fear but through principle. He felt
    ijjDSclf being imposed upon. And under the circumstances he would
    UM shown lack of character to proceed. Dempsey made no stipulation
    tfth the promoters as to the selection of his opponent, save that he
    ?ijeff the color line. The promoters selected Joe Bonds, and so adver?
    ted. Bonds wa ' on hand to fulfil his engagement?ready, in fact, when
    Jeanette and the manipulators behind him forestalled the white man
    i the ring.
    There arc those who say that Bonds had earlier been influenced, if
    jet bribed, to help "frame" Dempsey. His story to writers at the ring
    !jde bore out the suggestion.
    "The management told me it could get no one, black or white, to
    -on with Dempsey," Bonds said. "[ consented so that the show would
    ?et be crabbed. I did it, though sick."
    Bonds intimated further that he was suffering from concussion of
    ?be brain.
    "A girder fell on his head," declared Dumb Dan Morgan, manager
    i Bat Levinsky.
    If a girder "beaned" Bonds the fact was unknown to Tom Thorp,
    ach of the Granite State eleven, of which Joe is a member. Bonds
    ?j_ plead to Thorp a badly injured hand?this indicating evidence of
    mt prior propaganda.
    Now for the Climax
    ???trHEN I stepped out of the dressing room," Bonds is speaking again,
    ? "Joe Jeanette addressed me. 'You're a lucky dog to ? have a
    chuce to fight that fellow,' he said. 'I'd give a lot to be in your shoes.'
    "Is that so?' I replied. 'Well. I'm willing to resign in your favor.'
    They told me nobody, black or white, would fight Dempsey," Bonds con
    jaded lamely. "When Jeanette offered to take the assignment off my
    lands what else was I to do? I knew in my own case it would be simply
    ? couple of blows, with me on the receiving end."
    In sporting circles there was a story in circulation early Saturday
    aorning that Dempsey was to receive the surprise of his life. Those
    close to Bonds add further to his narrative of the early meeting with
    Jeanette. They said Bonds told the negro that the anagement had
    -.ven him $100 to go on with Dempsey; that Jeanette said Morgan
    mid make that sum good if Bonds would stand for the substitution ;
    tut Jeanette himself finally gave Bonds the hundred, and that Bonds
    remained in the back of the hall in ring regalia, to keep his engagement
    should Dempsey refuse to meet the negro. This same authority has
    t that, once in the ring, Jeanette was to provoke Dempsey to action
    ?y word of mouth ; this failing he was to insult with a blow.
    De****able Act of Treachery
    WHATEVER the sporting merits of the case on either side of the
    pugilistic argument, the fact remains that those behind the
    attempted coup were guilty of a de****able act of treachery, not only to
    Dempsey but to the New York public as well. And of these the most
    traien were the two Dans?McKetrick, manager of Jeanette, and Mor
    ?an, manager of Battling Levinsky, recently knocked out for the first
    an? by Dempsey. To Jack Dempsey, who had contributed $500 to the
    fad, insult was added to injury.
    Each follower of boxing is entitled to his personal opinion as to the
    '?rtsmanship of the color line in pugilism. But the boon has been
    wanted to white champions of all classes in all modern times. Dempsey,
    '.may be arsrued, is not a champion. But he is the logical successor
    "?Jess Willard.
    It ?b net so long ago that sportdom was clamoring loudly for some
    ?kite hope to remove from pugilism that abomination and disgrace,
    .enyweight champion Jack Johnson, whose behavior was a stench and
    a ey?jore to whites and negroes alike. No one criticised the con?
    tenir, WUlard, for drawing the color line.
    It was not the mere matter of facing Jeanette that confronted
    tepsey. Had he put up his hands against the colored man he could
    sot have refused satisfaction to Harry Wills, Sam Langford, Kid Nor
    Sb$ and other colored heavyweights. Which, meanwhile, would have
    ?ren big Willard an excuse longer to postpone the inevitable.
    Dempsey's Faith Betrayed
    fjEMPSEY came in good faith to Madison Square Garden to fulfil
    U what he considered an obligation. He went further and gave $.500
    ? the war fund from his own pocket. That he was allowed to be insulted
    !Pab shabbily of the management, even though it had no hand or
    Pledge of the attempted coup. But there should have been some
    y^snen around to evict the negro bodily from the ring if necessary,
    '-?jwent his entrance in the first place.
    Meanwhile, the boxing game in New York has suffered one more
    '? ?*?-tagarno i., ever to be revived in the Empire State these manipulators
    ?^their ilk should reap none of the benefits. Their names now suggest
    ?travesty against the fair name of sport.
    To one judging the situation dispassionately it appears one of three
    *3f'*s prompte] the attempted coup?cheap notoriety, an attempt to
    "?redit the conqueror of Bat Levinsky, or a desire to discredit Jimmy
    '^froth, an outside promoter, brought on from the Coast to handle the
    ?'?i boxing campaign.
    Men who for any or all of these reasons would stoop to such base
    : "*? should have no benefit from boxing'.; resurrection, if, indeed, t

    It's tedious to correct all the spelling and stuff. You guys can read the article here:

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      #92
      And nov 20:

      DEMPSEY HIDES BEHIND "COLOR" LINE


      n one of the most dramatic scenes
      enacted in the history of the prize
      ring in this city. Jack Dempsey, con
      queror of Fred Fulton and generally
      considered the foremost heavyweight
      in the world, with the exception of
      Jess Willard, took refuge behind the
      "color" line in Madison Square 3ar
      den Saturday night, when Joe Jean
      nette, the veteran negro heavyweight
      of West Hoboken, challenged hihm to
      white heavyweights were Bought as
      opponents for the Utah .boxer, but
      all save Bonds had cold feet.
      Bonds was on hand early Satur
      day night prepared to do his best
      in a bout with Dempsey. Jeannette,
      too, was present and so was Kid Nor
      folk, another negro heavyweight, with
      whom Jeannette had been matchud to
      box.


      The show up to this juncture had
      fight before upward of 8 000 persons , gone smoothly.A number of excellent
      who filled the historic ampitheatre. ! matches had taken place and the en
      Never in the annals of boxing l tertainment was voted the best of its
      in New York has a scene like that kind ever held in thi3 city. Then
      which took place last night been wit- things began to happen.
      nessed. Dempsey, who today stands
      at the fistic pinnacle as a result of
      victories over all of the white heavy
      weights, had come to New York from
      Long Branch, where he has been
      training, at the request of the boxing
      committee of the United War Work
      aampaign, for the benefit of which the
      big tournament was held.
      Dempsey had been matched to
      meet Joe Bonds, a third rate pugi- , and from the gaiery,
      list with a lot of nerve, who is at
      tached to the U. S. S. Granite State.
      For weeks Jeanette has sought a
      match with the Utah wonder, but for
      some reason best known to himself
      and his manager, Jeck Kearns. Demp
      sey has persistently refused to meet
      a negro, despite the fact that he
      fought John Lester Johnson a ten
      round bout in this city a couple of
      years ago and has fought negroes at
      other times in his career.
      Jeanette's Challenge.
      When "he agreed to box at the Gar
      den show Dempsey stipulated that he
      be matched with a white boxer and
      at that time refused to meet Jean
      nette or any other, negro. With this
      understanding the committee asked
      him to come to New York. Several
      Dempsey. clad in the striped jersey
      and other boxing toggery entered the
      ring at the conclusion of the match
      between Willie Jackson and Eddie
      Walace, which was one of the best
      of the evening. The Western wonder
      was followed by Jimmy De Forrest,
      his second, and Jack Kearns, mana
      ger. Dempsey acknowledged a warm
      greeting from friends about the ring
      Then he glanced
      his opponent across the ring to
      corner.
      Instead of the clean limbed Bonds,
      he saw big black, smiling Joe Jean
      nette. his fists encased in sixounce
      gloves and in fighting togs. Jack
      appeared not the least' bit disturbed,
      but Kearns immediately got into the
      ring and made it known that, under
      no circumstances, would he permit
      his man to box the husky negro.
      Dempsey Refuses to Box.
      Kearns explained to members of the
      committee that he had agreed to let
      Dempsey box Bonds, and unless Bonds
      was willing to fight the match would
      be declared off. Meantime Jeannette,
      with arms folded, struck a pose in
      the middle of the ring and dared Dempsey to come out of his corner.

      There was confusion in the ring. Managers interested in Jeanette insisted that the negro remain in the ring and force
      Dempsey to vacate.
      Charley Harvey sent a messenger in
      search of Bonds. Newspapermen were
      appealed to. Meantime Dempsey held
      his seat while others argued with
      Kearns. Some besought him to let
      Dempsey box Jeannette, while others
      counselled to stand firm in refusal,
      more th' n" twenty - minutes' delay
      Kearns chose the latter course. After
      Dempsey withdrew from the ring amid
      a storm of jeers and hisses

      After that Bonds could not be
      found and Dempsey declined to have
      anything more to do with the show


      He put on his clothes and with his
      retinue made a hasty exit from the
      building. What had started out to be
      one of thoi freatest fistic carnivals
      ever staged in this city had been
      marred by one of the worst examples
      of sportsmanship or lack of it ever
      witnessed in the annals of local boxing.


      There is no alibi for anybody involved in the disgraceful episode. In
      the first place, Dempsey should have
      accepted the negro's challenge, if he
      had an ounce of sporting blood in his
      makeup. To be sure, he had everything to lose and nothing to gain but
      last night was no occasion publicly to
      seek refuge behind the color line.
      There is no excuse whatever for
      Dempsey

      On the other hand, the group of
      managers the very clique that was
      responsible for the death of boxing
      under the Frawley law, according to
      Governor Whitman 'probably sealed
      the fate of boxing in this state for
      some time to come. Prior to last night there was a strong probability
      that, with the change of the state administration, boxing would be re.es-tablshe- d
      as a local sport, but after last night's disgraceful occurrence it
      is doubtful whether Governor-elec- t
      Al Smth, or any other public official,
      would lend his ,support , to boxing.
      Last night, of all times, petty feuds
      and differences among managers
      should have been forgotten.
      Aside from this untoward episode, the 4rnival. arranged and managed
      by Charley Harvey and his associates,
      proved one of the most succesful ever held in this city

      etc.............








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        #93
        And another opinion from El Paso Herald on dec. 3:


        Criticism of Dempsey For
        Not Boxing Jeanette Not
        Well Founded



        A number of
        New Tork pencil1 pushers have had
        Jack Dempsey on the pan ever since
        he failed to take on Joe Jeanette as a
        substitute for Joe Bonds in the recea
        war work fund show at Madison
        Square Garden.
        One writer is convinced that there
        is no place In boxing for Jack be
        cause he has drawn the color line. In
        the same breath this same scribe ad
        mlts that Dempsey has nothing to
        fear from a boxer like Joe Jeanette,
        who was the bird they tried to foist
        on to Dempsey in the place of Bonds.
        after they had persuaded Joe to re
        fuse to go on with his part of the
        show.
        As a matter of fact. Dempsey was
        so hot around the collar when he
        tumbled to what Dan McKe trick,
        manager of Jeanette; Dan Morgan,
        manager of Bat Levinsky, whom he
        recently knocked out in Phllly. and
        other managers were trying to frame
        on him that he offered to meet any
        man in the house.
        But Jack K earns, being somewhat
        cooler nobbed, decided that no envious
        manager could put anything like that
        over on him, and he was supported by
        Jim cor troth in his decision to box
        Bonds or no one.
        The writer who says there Is no
        place In boxing for Dempsey would
        probably give his right eye to promote
        a show with Dempsey as the big card.
        No place In the game for Jack, eh?
        WelL he could be boxing four or five
        times a month If the promoters could
        dig up suitable, opponents for htm.
        Thats how good he is.
        Dan Morgan's part in the little af
        fair at the Garden was inspired by a
        hope of getting revenge through Jean
        ette for what Dempsey did to his main
        meal ticket Bat Levinsky. Dan Mc
        Ketrick. of course, wanted to catch
        Dempsey unprepared in the hope that
        the darktown veteran would be able
        to slip one over. And yet they try to
        lay it on Dempsey.




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          #94
          Now there's facts and opinions a'plenty....

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            #95
            Originally posted by travestyny View Post
            No no, I agree with you. I'm sure McKetrick was there. But what I'm saying is that if this was cooked up right there at the show, there's only so much he could have done to play his part. Pass Joe the $100? Help him convince Bonds?

            Maybe he's the one that said, "If Dempsey won't fight, hit him."
            What I was trying to do was two things, one exonerate Jeannette a bit, I rather this be the action of a sleazy fight manager like McKetrick or Kearns. (I repeat I can understand why Jeannette would feel the right to take his shot anyway he could get it.) But also just a genuine curiosity on my part as to what happen to McKetrick.

            Bat Nelson's post that begins TO THINKING men (not sure what newspaper this is) mentions McKetrick's presence at the fight and places on him the blame, but offers no details. It does confirm for us that Dan McKetrick was slithering about.

            Also:

            All of Bat's postings are championing Dempsey's side of the argument, but unless we study these newspapers we can't be sure what agenda they might have.

            They could just be supporting the 'color line' because they are racists, or they could truly see this as a blight on boxing as they claim: " . . . attempted coup were guilty of a de****able act of treachery, not only to Dempsey but to the New York public as well.

            I think one truth we can agree on, that night certainly made a big splash and had advocates on both sides, getting very angry and very loud.

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              #96
              Originally posted by BattlingNelson View Post
              Now there's facts and opinions a'plenty....
              That seems about right (re: the color line). Apparently it was understood that Dempsey drew the color line before being champion....?


              The question I have is was this just a matter of Joe Bonds not being privy to that? He's quoted as saying they told him they couldn't find any white or black fighter to fight against Dempsey. Seems it's possible that when Jeannette approached him about the switch, he agreed as long as he got the $100 with no consideration of Dempsey's stance.

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                #97
                Originally posted by Willie Pep 229 View Post
                What I was trying to do was two things, one exonerate Jeannette a bit, I rather this be the action of a sleazy fight manager like McKetrick or Kearns. (I repeat I can understand why Jeannette would feel the right to take his shot anyway he could get it.) But also just a genuine curiosity on my part as to what happen to McKetrick.

                Bat Nelson's post that begins TO THINKING men (not sure what newspaper this is) mentions McKetrick's presence at the fight and places on him the blame, but offers no details. It does confirm for us that Dan McKetrick was slithering about.

                Also:

                All of Bat's postings are championing Dempsey's side of the argument, but unless we study these newspapers we can't be sure what agenda they might have.

                They could just be supporting the 'color line' because they are racists, or they could truly see this as a blight on boxing as they claim: " . . . attempted coup were guilty of a de****able act of treachery, not only to Dempsey but to the New York public as well.

                I think one truth we can agree on, that night certainly made a big splash and had advocates on both sides, getting very angry and very loud.
                Agreed absolutely.

                From everything we've seen, it seems to me that Dempsey had drew the colorline before being champion, and the managers of the fund knew about that. I'm not sure why Bonds says they couldn't find anyone, white or black, for Dempsey. Maybe he just said that to cover for the reason he allowed a black guy to take his place...? Or were they looking for a black heavy and didn't really know Dempsey's demands...? It's hard to tell. If I had to guess, I'd assume they'd know his wishes regarding whether to fight a black guy or not.


                But I'm saying, bro. This all goes back to what I was saying. It was about the color line. Dempsey didn't want to risk his legacy fighting black fighters at this time, or thereafter. He wrote his own article about this situation wherein he is quoted as saying he will fight any white heavy but never agreed to fight "a colored boy." I'm giving him a pass on calling 39 year old Jeanette a boy because this situation must have made him HEATED. lol

                It's all a bit clearer, but also a bit muddled still. There seems to be those same rumors that this was something planned before the event (and involving managers like McKetrick and Morgan), but all of the clear evidence seems to show it was cooked up at the event.

                Either way, I'm happy that finally we could all come together and try to peace this thing together without it leading to flame wars!

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                  #98
                  Too Many Clues In This Room, Gordon Lightfoot

                  From dusk until dawn they have searched all day long
                  But there's too many clues in this room
                  At best it is said we've been locked deep inside
                  Of an old sea man's chest full of charts
                  Where maps are contained and what's left of his brains
                  When his crew threw his bones to the sharks

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                    #99
                    The formal apology to Dempsey:

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                      Originally posted by HOUDINI563 View Post
                      The formal apology to Dempsey:


                      It is interesting . . . James W. Coffroth is out of San Francisco and the article (out of Los Angles) refers to Dempsey as "the westerner" -- which kind of makes it look like they are thinking it an Eastern big city dirty trick.

                      I wonder if Coffroth was finding New York politics more than a little repugnant.

                      Considering he was the go-to-guy for the War Fund maybe he should have had better control of the event.


                      P.S. Coffroth lost a bid war with Tex Rickard for the Johnson-Jeffries go in Reno, 1910. He offered $100,000 for the fight, Rickard *****ed him, coming in with $120,000, in gold!
                      Last edited by Willie Pep 229; 07-15-2020, 10:37 AM.

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