Top Ten Journeymen.....know what a Journeyman is?

[Yogi]

actually rocky marciano W 10 tiger ted lowry 2x!!! 2nd time marciano won 9 out of 10 rounds



the first fight being a robbery is a complete myth. rocky was the effective aggresor, he beat up tiger ted to the body the whole night. rocky won the last 6 rounds of the fight. lowrys great defensive skills and experience allowed him to outbox a very raw marciano for some rounds, but rocky clearly won the fight. rocky fought too win, lowry didnt.


i spoke to rockys brother personally and he told me "the lowry fight is one of the biggest myths. lowry hardly threw any punches, he only fought to survive."- peter marciano


peter did tell me the lastarza fight was extremely close and could have gone either way, but he made sure he clarified rocky clearly won the lowry fight.

LOL.

I knew I'd get a reaction out of you, my friend, which is all I was doing with that previous post...

Although, I still don't see how you can be so confident that Marciano got the better of things when the fight is unavailable for viewing nowadays, and instead we have to rely on reports from those eyewitnesses who actually saw the fight.

Oh, and Peter Marciano is certainly not an objective opinion on that fight, as you very well know, especially when he was only a little kid when that fight happened...His biased opinion means next to nothing in regards to what happened in that fight. And seeing as you're likely to come back with some quote from Sam Silverman (from page 125 of Marciano's bio) stating that "The kid gave Lowry a bad body beating", I'll have you know that even the fight reports that state Lowry should've won (6 rounds to 4) indicate that Marciano was constantly attacking Lowry's body ("unending body attack", "concentrate wholly on the body", etc., etc.). No where in that book does it actually give Silverman's definate opinion as to who actually won the fight, and as I told you on a different forum, you can find similiar quotes to Silverman's in reference to Chuvalo's body attack on Ali in their first fight...Doesn't mean Chuvalo won the fight or was even close to winning it, though, does it?

[Yogi]

P.S. Have you had trouble getting onto ESB over the last week or so, Brockton?

I'm just curious if it's happening to anybody else, as I haven't been able to access that site in quite some time.

[wmute]

does charley burley meet the journeyman qualification standards?

[!!! Beowulf !!!]

Johnny Nelson was definately a journeyman, 12 losses, boxed around the world. Whatever you think of his style and tactics the guy did really well with his career in the end.


As for British level journeyman, I'd like to mention John "Buster" Keeton who is now British Cruiserweight Champion at the 4th time of asking after beating fellow journeyman Lee Swaby (who holds a win over Enzo Maccarinelli) by TKO. Keeton is a rugged brawler who fairly recently lost to Mark Hobson but managed to floor him in the first round. His losses are into double figures, but now holds the famous Lonsdale belt. Bit of a fairytale for him.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

Journeyman thats rarely mentioned is the Ol' Mongoose Archie Moore....I wouldn't say he could beat any champion but he had the smarts and heart of a true champion....

now I got to go back a page to see what Yogi's talking about with marciano

[RockyMarcianofan00]

obviously Lowry was one of Marciano's Amateur fights if he lost....anyway if it wer a pro fight then I'd give it to Marciano. This is because if he almost beat guy that was one of his first 12 fights then he could definitely beat him when he got more fights under his belt...

sry if that didn't make sense or something I'm half asleep...

[K-DOGG]

does charley burley meet the journeyman qualification standards?

No, 'fraid Burley was a bonafied contender who got ducked.

[KingDosia]

Glenn Johnson comes to mind

[K-DOGG]

Glenn Johnson comes to mind

Johnson could pass for a journeyman... yeah, I'll agree with that. Good call.

[BigMKO]

Carlos Baldomir was a journeyman at one stage.