Originally posted by travestyny
View Post
-
You got it. Watch the Ultimate Royce Gracie bio the UFC put out a few years ago for more info on Maeda and the birth of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. And speaking of sambo, that has also become a well known martial art, thanks to guys like Oleg Taktarov, Fedor Emelianenko, and now Khabib Nurmagomedov, uses a lot of techniques of judo and submission wrestling apparently: ) -
hahaha. I cringed when I read "speaking of sambo" until I got to the rest of your sentenceOriginally posted by Anthony342 View Post
Thanks again, bro. I'm definitely gonna check it out!Comment
-
To be honest, I literally had the same reaction.Originally posted by travestyny View Posthahaha. I cringed when I read "speaking of sambo" until I got to the rest of your sentence
Comment
-
Found it. Just bumping this fascinating tale because it's hysterical to me.
Once again, all credit to "The Martial Chronicals" and "Bloodyelbow.com" for sharing the tales.Comment
-
I missed this the first time around.
I enjoyed reading this. Thx for sharing.Comment
-
-
bravo! Nice digging!Originally posted by travestyny View PostThis time, while in Australia for a fight with World Heavyweight Champion Jack Johnson, the winner would go on to face Sam Langford (the fight with Johnson fell through when there wasn't enough interest to cover the purses), Sam McVey would find himself facing a true Ju-Jitsu Master.
Professor P.W. Stevenson was an accomplished Ju-Jitsu expert. He was said to have traveled to Japan to learn, but they refused to train a white man. He then trained under a Japanese practitioner who was forced to leave Japan. The man agreed to train Stevenson after Stevenson saved him from a bulldog in New York City.
Stevenson became well known in N.S. Wales, Australia for his expertise in Ju-Jitsu and was even appointed to instruct the military and the police in N.S. Wales, Australia. He had various All-in (MMA) matches and nearly always came out on top except occasionally against his rival, ***ishima.
Stevenson's Challenge to McVey and Langford:
His challenge went ignored until McVey was putting on boxing demonstrations and accepting exhibition matches with local boxers in N.S. Wales.
Stevenson renews his challenge, And McVey Accepts:
The rules:
The Fight:
Stevenson weighed less than 11 stone. McVey was more than 50 pounds heavier.
Rounds 1-4:
At the signal to commence the first round Stevenson threw a somersault across the ring and landed prone. He grasped McVea's ankle... McVea looked as though he could have ****** away at any portion of Stevenson's anatomy, but close watchers could observe McVea's ankle gradually being twisted round. Not only could he not hit his opponent, but found It impossible even to stand up. He fell eventually and Stevenson worked his hold right up the body, grabbed the right arm, and McVea tapped.
Stevenson had taken the first round in less than 2 minutes. The next few rounds would follow a similar pattern: Stevenson would work to drag McVea to the ground where he would then gain the submission around the 2 minute mark. In the second round, Stevenson tripped McVea to the ground where they rolled around before "Stevenson got the neck hold and seemed to be in a position in which he could have throttled McVea. McVea tapped once more." In the third, Stevenson fell back and dragged McVea down with him where he secured a "severe arm hold" and "Eventually McVea gave way once more". In the fourth, "Stevenson dropped to the ground and lay there, inviting an attack. McVea lunged at him, and Stevenson grabbed his arm and ragged his opponent down" where he secured a scissors hold on McVea's head, forcing him to surrender yet again.
Now down four rounds to none and on the brink of losing the match, many spectators began to question if McVea was giving it his all. It was obvious that the Professor was doing almost all the hard work: where he was perspiring heavily and breathing hard, McVea looked about as fresh as he did when the match began.The boxer had managed some offense, landing some lefts and uppercuts in rounds two and three, and ramming some hard blows to Stevenson's midsection when trapped in the scissors hold in the fourth, but nothing too meaningful or threatening.
During the bout the work of neither man was received very well. The sporadic applause was always downed by cries of dissatisfaction. However, It appeared to some that McVea missed many occasions when he could easily have despatched his opponent
Some, perhaps more astute, witnesses were more forgiving of McVea's seemingly poor showing.
McVea, however, was justified in being cautious,however,as to be caught off his guard for a second meant defeat against so skillful an exponent of jiu-jitsu.
The "Sensational" Fifth Round:
Stevenson easily got hold of McVea's neck. The latter, however, seemed to be prepared for this. He straightened up and swung Stevenson off his feet, and whilst he clung there McVea drove solid blows to tbe stomach They were very sold blows, and they eventually drove Stevenson off. Then M'Vea got to work in earnest, and at long range attacked Stevenson's head. He sent in heavy lefts to the jaw. Three times in succession he sent Stevenson to the boards for four seconds, four seconds, and eight seconds. Stevenson got up very groggy, and McVea went In to finish him. Stevenson, however, dragged his man In agaln, and both fell on the floor. McVea continued to send In solid punches to the body and face. Stevenson turned over, and McVea Immediately drove In three powerful blows to the back of the neck and Stevenson was out.
Stevenson's corner, unable to revive him in time for the next round, decided to throw in the towel. This was met by hooting from the crowd, mostly from Stevenson supporters upset that he was about to be declared the loser even though he was up four rounds to one.
Afterwards, McVea explained his strategy (Stevenson was reported to have not been in any condition to speak to the press): being familiar with jiu-jitsu, he had intentionally been overly cautious, wanting to force the smaller Stevenson to tire himself out while not risking injury himself. Eventually in the fifth round an opening appeared and he took full advantage of it, proving that his strategy had been sound.
Sam McVea never again faced a ju-jitsu opponent, instead focusing the rest of his days on boxing. He ended his Hall of Fame career with a record of 65-16-12 in the sport.
And 2-0 in "all-in".
All information courtesy of "The Martial Chronicles":
These matches have become very contemporary with the times martial arts finds itself.
What some may find interesting is that Judo, or KanoJitsu, Kodokanjitsu, (both names for Judo) was not invented yet. Kano, the inventor of Judo, who some thought of as a Western apologist, used a series of matches similar to this, pitting Judo men against various classic Japanese styles to establish Judo... Unfortunately many of the best fighters in these Koryu had been killed in the second world war. Consequently judo dominated these matches.Comment
-
And to add more to the fire: Many consider Brazilian Ju Jitsu Judo... Sambo is Russian Judo. Sambo is characterized by emphasizing leg locks, which are a nice asset to a fighting man... Of course Brazilian Judo/Ju Jitz emphasized ground work (Ne waza?)...Originally posted by Anthony342 View Post
Both forms benefitted from evolving at a time (during the second world war) when Japanese Judo was shut down because of the war.Comment
-
Good stuff.Comment
-
So is it judo? Or does it incorporate some aspects of judo?Originally posted by billeau2 View PostComment
Comment