Why do people like Roberto Duran

[The Old LefHook]

Anyone's credibility on here is established through their posts, not what their old job used to be.

[juggernaut666]

I was talking about showing Ray Corso respect

Yes because he shows others the same respect ? Come on now even you know better to throw ray in as an example don't you? Weren't you the one calling him a condosending opinionated prick or something along those lines ? Theres been so many its hard to keep count...


The answer to the thread is Duran was liked because he gave out Tandy Candy...

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Yes because he shows others the same respect ? Come on now even you know better to throw ray in as an example don't you? Weren't you the one calling him a condosending opinionated prick or something along those lines ? Theres been so many its hard to keep count...


The answer to the thread is Duran was liked because he gave out Tandy Candy...

Yes, at one time I completely doubted Ray was who he said he was lol. I thought he was a mindless internet troll stealing the identity of a boxing trainer. Ray proved himself to me. I think Ray has earned the respect of those in the boxing community.

I'm too young to have opinions set in stone. If I did then I would be an idiot.

[juggernaut666]

Yes, at one time I completely doubted Ray was who he said he was lol. I thought he was a mindless internet troll stealing the identity of a boxing trainer. Ray proved himself to me. I think Ray has earned the respect of those in the boxing community.

I'm too young to have opinions set in stone. If I did then I would be an idiot.

Mindless ? No limited? yes A prick ? definatly.... theres my 2 cents! its not about respect if one doesn't give it. Sorry but im old school ,you want respect ,you give it first...he hasn't earned it with me and his training status means as much to me as Bert Sugar claiming one of the worst boxing champs in history like Carnera can beat Klitchko..... along with Holmes claiming Wlad has no jab and Teddy Atlas claiming Hopkins would be a non factor in the past eras..Im pretty sure those guys for example are far more knowledgable than Corso and look what that means?

Being a trainer doesn't make you a logical person. Reading your posts im pretty sure you actually understand boxing as a whole better than he does as far as figuring out whats relevant and not set in stone.

So do you still agree with him if you haven't been stepped foot in a gym trained or fought before your opinions count less if at all ? If that's the case we better shut down boxing Scene ASAP

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Mindless ? No limited? yes A prick ? definatly.... theres my 2 cents! its not about respect if one doesn't give it. Sorry but im old school ,you want respect ,you give it first...he hasn't earned it with me and his training status means as much to me as Bert Sugar claiming one of the worst boxing champs in history like Carnera can beat Klitchko..... along with Holmes claiming Wlad has no jab and Teddy Atlas claiming Hopkins would be a non factor in the past eras..Im pretty sure those guys for example are far more knowledgable than Corso and look what that means?

Being a trainer doesn't make you a logical person. Reading your posts im pretty sure you actually understand boxing as a whole better than he does as far as figuring out whats relevant and not set in stone.

So do you still agree with him if you haven't been stepped foot in a gym trained or fought before your opinions count less if at all ? If that's the case we better shut down boxing Scene ASAP

Like I said my opinions change constantly. I'm too young of a student in the sport of boxing to have a solid opinion. A month ago you could probably find me ****ting on Duran but right now I'm starting to really appreciate him as a fighter.

Just because I think Ray has validation doesn't mean I think that everyone else is invalid. Quite the contrary. A person would have to say some pretty ****** **** in order to be classified as irrelevant in "my book". Out of all the people I have encountered on this forum most have given reasonable evidence for their views.

[The Old LefHook]

Who knows food better, a master chef or a fine gourmet?

What everyone does best is take their own opinions sooooo... seriously.

You can only have great divergence of opinion where things are not certain. We do not walk around arguing the validity of the quadratic formula all day, because someone would simply prove it for us, and if we persisted, ignore us.

It is real easy to argue a proposition no one has any idea how to prove.

All one can do on these boxing questions is to continue to collect more information and refine your opinions based on such information. What we like, who we prefer, when who lived, our sense of a man...those mean nothing to a good analysis.

What one fighter said about another, what an old trainer said., what an old fan who saw a bunch of fights says...these mean next to nothing, but they do mean a little, and I mean a little.

It really does depend whether the fighter gives technical reasons or simply doles out praise to someone he fought. Tunney praised Dempsey highly, but there was very little technical insight given.

Contrast that with Moore's analysis of Marciano. Archie broke it down into digestible chunks of technique. He says before the fight he thought it would be easy to hit Rock with the lefhook. But when he got in there he found that big starboard lean of Rock's while staying so low, made it really difficult to find him with the lefhook.

I can take that seriously. Moore was his own man intellectually. He never kissed *ss. He was not heaping praise on Rock, he was giving the technical reasons he was harder to fight than he looked like he would be. He also mentioned the pounding of the arms, which he started out thinking would not be so bad before it became a nightmare.

It is never just the opinion, lads, it is the information in that opinion--if any. Most opinions come stripped of all information and loaded with stubborness. The source of the opinion, like Tunney or Moore, only helps us guess the reliability of it, if it has no other redeeming content. Tunney and Moore were both honorable men. Tunney gave outright praise and accolades to Jack without breaking it down or going into detail, Archie gave a mini analysis of fighting Marciano. Don Dunphy's opinion of who hit harder between Marciano and Dempsey is based on...what was that, Don? Oh, it looked like it knocked his head off? Okay. Loved Don Dunphy by the way, just making an example.

Fact. People who have been deeply involved in an activity for a very long time don't just think their opinions are more knowledgeable than yours--whether the activity is fencing, guitar playing, boxing training or heart surgery. What is a heart surgeon supposed to think when my dear friend who is a bartender starts running his mouth about medicicne the way he always does? Yes, the medical establishment and the treatments can be awful. If my friend's gripe is strictly with the medical establisment, then the heart surgeon may listen. But if my confident friend is insisting on the superiority of mega doses of vitamin C over heart surgery, what does the surgeon think? What should he think?

Who is the best guitar player in the world, folks? You probably already have an opinion, or could come up with one. But, you see, mine is better than yours, unless you are able to say certain things I know to be true and you would not know unless you understood guitar playing. You can also say things immediately that mark you as no more than someone with a strong opinion and not much knowledge of the subject, to someone who does have that knowledge.

If you are simply a fan of guitar, your opinion is probably equally based on the style of music you prefer, not really so much on guitar itself--country Chet Atkins or Bret Mason, jazz Joe Pass or Wes Montgomery, etc., etc. You like what you hear.

A fan of boxing likes what he sees. He may or may not have additional information and experience. However, it takes no experience to judge that prime Roy Jones was faster than the Robinson we have a lot of footage of. I know for a fact that welterweight Robinson was faster than the one we have a lot of film of. The little bit of welterweight film we have proves the point to me. I don't consider the highly filmed Robinson prime. Was Roy faster than the earlier Robinson? I don't know. Such a small sample of film makes it difficult to give big judgements. I suspect their speed was very similar at their respective fastest, Roy still maybe a shade faster.

You want an opinion? Oh, you want some metaphor along with it? It is still an opinion, you realize? Robinson's medicine bag was too full for Roy, if you scaled them according to their actual prime sizes, instead of thoughtlessly throwing them in as middleweights together, Robinson will win more times than Roy does. Why? The medicine bag, baby, the medicine bag. In his prime Roy had notched twenty or thirty fights; in his Robinson had notched eighty or ninety.

Oh, yeah, why do people like Duran? Because they like what they see?

[juggernaut666]

Like I said my opinions change constantly. I'm too young of a student in the sport of boxing to have a solid opinion. A month ago you could probably find me ****ting on Duran but right now I'm starting to really appreciate him as a fighter.

Just because I think Ray has validation doesn't mean I think that everyone else is invalid. Quite the contrary. A person would have to say some pretty ****** **** in order to be classified as irrelevant in "my book". Out of all the people I have encountered on this forum most have given reasonable evidence for their views.

Be it as it may my post to you was in reference to good old ray attacking someones credibility first and then crying when its thrown back at him ,even accusinfg Steve of fighter bashing for difference of opinion when not only Steve was actually right for the most part but said he doesnt consider the modern fighters in the same class as the 80's guys .Yet dummy Corso attacked him anyway !I'll leave it at that ,just another good poster thats made to much sense on here i guess so the few have to band together against him,what else is new ,the idiot brigade !

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Be it as it may my post to you was in reference to good old ray attacking someones credibility first and then crying when its thrown back at him ,even accusinfg Steve of fighter bashing for difference of opinion when not only Steve was actually right for the most part but said he doesnt consider the modern fighters in the same class as the 80's guys .Yet dummy Corso attacked him anyway !I'll leave it at that ,just another good poster thats made to much sense on here i guess so the few have to band together against him,what else is new ,the idiot brigade !

I can't give an accurate response as to why I called Steve out. If you had asked me when it happened I would have told you but now it's been too long and I have forgotten. It's in the past and really doesn't have to do with boxing.

[Ray Corso]

Hey juggyNutz remember your posts about;

My daddy is a world wide judo expert.........
My uncle trained Bowe.........
I ko'd one of Wlads spar partners..........
I trained ONE state amateur champion......

Yet not ONE of these people have names!!!! Juggy's No Name List!

You keep disrespecting me but I answered all the questions posed to me.
You haven't answered ONE!
Your a liar and a punkazz *****, and I've proven it time and again.
This is another time because you can't answer the above questions because
there more LIES!

Just a reminder that this kid is a punk and a liar and here's the proof.

Ray

[Panamaniac]

Recent posts remind me of ***** vs Cruz...