Did SRL Have A Better Jab, Balance, and Defense Than SRR

[phallus]

Did SRL have better balance, etc. than SRR?

no way, robinson had better fundamentals, he was able to handle and defeat all styles of fighters where leonard had to avoid certain fighters. both guys fought way past their primes, with robinson still dominating world champions and leonard losing to them. that tells me its robinson who has the better, balance, technique, fundamental skills. leonard was a better athlete and did things prettier, but sugar ray robinson is the man and always will be

[joeandthebums]

Joe come on m8 we've chatted loads of times over this ......I have never posted anything other than me disagreeing on what I think is wrong...I don't jump on forums and say Ray leonard or Ray Robinson was this or they were that...I simply from my eyes don't see anything better in robinson as a fighter over a Ray leonard ....not putting anything down on robinson as he was an all time great...I have my views and some have there's and a forum is there to be discussed..do I think Ray Leonard had a better, jab ,defence ....no I don't think that ......the same as I don't think Ray Robinson has....they have never faced off in the ring so for me it's impossible to say who was better...I think it's ridiclous to keep saying who was or had a better jab

Apoligses, didn't mean to offend but sadly I'm no longer taking this forum seriously.

[The plunger man]

So you had a friend at 6 who gave you children's gloves who fought for a title.
Then you boxed amateur for a few years appearing in 41 bouts.

As for me I'm a lot older than you are, for sure.
No never had the pleasure to see Sugar Ray in person in any context.
The records of the fighters then was "not padded" it was their livelihood.
The Champions and contenders didn't have the luxury of tv, closed circuits or ppv they fought in live events hence their extremely active schedules. Once a Champion defends against his contenders he still needs to eat so he fights on. He can take on a major cities top pro to secure an arena with ample seating to insure a good cut of a gate if he can't get his fee met on the bout alone.
Theres 8 to 12 contenders that usually had some draw when they're met you move on to anyone and everyone you can earn from.
When your coming out of the "Great Depression" and entering a WW2 things are different then now, understand?
Quiting against Maxim, seriously? Ahead on all score cards, the bout had a judge and referee replaced, with audience members being attended to for extreme heat! Do some reading on that one Steve!
Referring to World Champion Jake LaMotta as a punching bag ends this with you. LaMotta vs Robinson were very close bouts except for the last one when LaMotta struggled to make weight. Your watching to many movies for boxing information. LaMotta is still alive today at 90+ next to Max Schmeling who lived to be 99 yrs old Jake is the oldest ex World Champ.
You don't know boxing as I do, you know it as you do! There's a difference.

Bye

Your age has just proved one thing Ray ...is your biased towards the old guard of boxing.....everything was better then wasn't it Ray ....You asked me a few questions about myself and I answered....yeah Ray I fell in love with boxing and took it up at a young age..have been competing in boxing or watching avidly since I was a kid...yeah I could have turned pro but didn't ....lost in the amateur finals which is like the golden gloves in the states seen many many fights and even been to the garden to watch world title fights and you have the nerve to question me lol.....maxim dealt with the same best as robinson didn't he ? But like it or not Ray Robinson did quit that night....as for lamotta he was a crude face
first kind of fighter ...who lacked any kind of defence and his only way of fighting was taking the other guys punches till he ran out of steam......Ray robinson had many many fights where he boxed fighters who had at least 15 to 20 defeats on there record...some had as many defeats as they did wins...what I meant by padded is they had no right to be in the same ring as robinson as they were not good enough...that means padded Ray ......your the old guard type Ray who favours the old school.....as I said I have followed boxing since I was a child and I have my opinions on what I see.....you have only seen robinson on t.v like have...and yet you rate him as superman...sorry but I dont ...since the 70' and 80' boxing has slowy been losing the ground ....I don't agree with you and that's that....

[Bundana]

Your age has just proved one thing Ray ...is your biased towards the old guard of boxing.....everything was better then wasn't it Ray ....You asked me a few questions about myself and I answered....yeah Ray I fell in love with boxing and took it up at a young age..have been competing in boxing or watching avidly since I was a kid...yeah I could have turned pro but didn't ....lost in the amateur finals which is like the golden gloves in the states seen many many fights and even been to the garden to watch world title fights and you have the nerve to question me lol.....maxim dealt with the same best as robinson didn't he ? But like it or not Ray Robinson did quit that night....as for lamotta he was a crude face
first kind of fighter ...who lacked any kind of defence and his only way of fighting was taking the other guys punches till he ran out of steam......Ray robinson had many many fights where he boxed fighters who had at least 15 to 20 defeats on there record...some had as many defeats as they did wins...what I meant by padded is they had no right to be in the same ring as robinson as they were not good enough...that means padded Ray ......your the old guard type Ray who favours the old school.....as I said I have followed boxing since I was a child and I have my opinions on what I see.....you have only seen robinson on t.v like have...and yet you rate him as superman...sorry but I dont ...since the 70' and 80' boxing has slowy been losing the ground ....I don't agree with you and that's that....

You make it sound like Ray decided to quit; like he had had enough and didn't want to carry on. If you watch the film, you will see that he was so far gone, that I doubt he had any knowledge of what was going on (or even where he was!) at the time. His corner just couldn't let him continue! You can argue whether or not he's the GOAT - but over 25 years he proved that his heart can't be questioned.

[The plunger man]

You make it sound like Ray decided to quit; like he had had enough and didn't want to carry on. If you watch the film, you will see that he was so far gone, that I doubt he had any knowledge of what was going on (or even where he was!) at the time. His corner just couldn't let him continue! You can argue whether or not he's the GOAT - but over 25 years he proved that his heart can't be questioned.

I'm not saying that at all but what I'm saying is we can all pick other fighters records apart if that's what's needed.....this is a forum where we have various opinions and f this Ray corso sees Robinson as the goat that's his call....but in the same turn if I don't agree with that statement then I can say what I think....Robiinson as I have already stated is an all time great and you will see that in my older posts ..I just don't share the opinion with some others in this site

[billeau2]

I'm not saying that at all but what I'm saying is we can all pick other fighters records apart if that's what's needed.....this is a forum where we have various opinions and f this Ray corso sees Robinson as the goat that's his call....but in the same turn if I don't agree with that statement then I can say what I think....Robiinson as I have already stated is an all time great and you will see that in my older posts ..I just don't share the opinion with some others in this site

yes. people are entitled to different opinions. I have found if I have a contrary opinion I have to back it up and be very mindful of what I say. I can see your perspective, however I think la Motta was a lot better than that, he slipped punches because there is no way a person could take those and...on close examination one can see how he did that from the crouch. Also the heat was indeed a factor, its hard to fault Robinson for that one imo.

There are a sizable amount of smart boxing people who think leonard was better...its not such a contrarian view. Some people site leonard's hand speed as a determining factor. you can't give him the edge in power, and both guys fought outstanding comp. Two great fighters! regarding leonard? as the highway association of America so aptly put it regarding an unrelated issue: "speed kills!"

[Bundana]

I'm not saying that at all but what I'm saying is we can all pick other fighters records apart if that's what's needed.....this is a forum where we have various opinions and f this Ray corso sees Robinson as the goat that's his call....but in the same turn if I don't agree with that statement then I can say what I think....Robiinson as I have already stated is an all time great and you will see that in my older posts ..I just don't share the opinion with some others in this site

Fair enough - good post, actually!

[The plunger man]

yes. people are entitled to different opinions. I have found if I have a contrary opinion I have to back it up and be very mindful of what I say. I can see your perspective, however I think la Motta was a lot better than that, he slipped punches because there is no way a person could take those and...on close examination one can see how he did that from the crouch. Also the heat was indeed a factor, its hard to fault Robinson for that one imo.

There are a sizable amount of smart boxing people who think leonard was better...its not such a contrarian view. Some people site leonard's hand speed as a determining factor. you can't give him the edge in power, and both guys fought outstanding comp. Two great fighters! regarding leonard? as the highway association of America so aptly put it regarding an unrelated issue: "speed kills!"

I have a lot of respect for your opinion and I think both fighters were God given talents and I think we both appreciate what both these great fighters stand for in terms of real legends of the sport and for me Sugar Ray Robinson will always be the god father of the sweet science ....they both deserve the highest accolades in sport we both love ...respect sir

Fair enough - good post, actually!

every opinion is subjective and up for debate ....again respect :-)