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    #31
    Yes in the hagler fight I agree, but as i posted leonard in retirment lost a lot of his speed and combinations..so the 1987 version of ray 5 yrs removed form consistent boxing was much slower, no legs, no stamina...just simply ring generalship against hagler...he actually if you rplay that fight many times,,,and then look at 82 leonard and before...even 84 kevin howard..he was much much slower when he fought hagler, and being winded as he was after round 5 slows you down as well....

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      #32
      camacho pre-rosario had the fastest hands i've ever seen. rosario wrecked him, but before that camacho would throw punches with intentions. it was only until after rosario that he turned into the safety first, defensive fighter that we have been accustomed to. don't be fooled !!

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        #33
        camacho had fast hands but even as a lightweight his combinations were nothing like leonards....he tried to shoe shine like leonard..but his punches he never pulled back..leonard if you look at when he shoe shined he was actually pulling his hands back on each shot, but he was soooo fast that rjj and camacho.simply flurried with their hands in front of them,,no power on the punches...Now I am referring to the 76-82 ray leonard...the 87 and after ray's speed ws gone..look at how he shoe shinned against hagler..nothing on it...Now if you look at mayweather sr vs leonard,,you will see speed, look at round 9..then look at leoanrd in the olympics..dammmmm never before has a fighter put combinations together like that....Also, anybody can get their punches off whtn they dont have to fear punches coming back at them...ala camacho..

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          #34
          dose tyson deserve a mention?.

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            #35
            Originally posted by catskills23
            dose tyson deserve a mention?.

            when tyson was on the red bag on the video i saw some hand speed i've never seen before, hell i dont think i could ever duplicate that sorta speed

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              #36
              If it's in a P4P sense, it has to be Ali. If it's not, it's probably some straweight or something.

              Look at the combination Ali threw against Brian London. Obviously they were 'taps', but damn that is fast for big man.

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                #37
                Originally posted by hellfire508
                If it's in a P4P sense, it has to be Ali. If it's not, it's probably some straweight or something.

                Look at the combination Ali threw against Brian London. Obviously they were 'taps', but damn that is fast for big man.
                no, they weren't taps, they were just so fast that they looked like taps. ali knocked him out with that combo, so they couldn't have been taps. some of the fastest shots in boxing history.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by hellfire508
                  Look at the combination Ali threw against Brian London. Obviously they were 'taps', but damn that is fast for big man.
                  I've never seen that fight. Do they have tapes of that? I've never seen it on ESPN Classic.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by hellfire508 View Post
                    What P4P? P4P handspeed probably...Taylor, Ali, Leonard, Jones...meh.

                    Overall P4P fastest, I say Ali. For a heavyweight, he was like lightning.
                    To pick Ali has the fastest boxer ever is a stretch. He of course was a fast heavyweight
                    but it is likely the fastest were flyweights to featherweights.

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                      #40
                      pound for pound? roy jones!

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