Is Muhammad Ali the #1 Heavyweight of all time?

[Scott9945]

Muhammad Ali was a very fast HW. He was nowhere near as fast as a modern Cruiserweight or the lighter weight fighters of his day, that's a lame comment.

You say I wanked over size, you just wanked over him.

I think guys like David Haye and Corrie Sanders, Chris Byrd and Eddie Chambers were as fast as Muhammad in hand speed.

I have seen most all of Ali's fights and I didn't think it was that blinding.

Most modern fans who view Muhammad's fights all say the same thing, that he didn't look very impressive and neither did his opponents, especially in the 60's. You know this is true.

If you want to question whether modern fans are smart or ****** that's up to you but I'm just calling it how I see it bro.

No, and it's not even close if you're talking about the 1960's Ali.

The second comment that I bolded is both false and ignorant.

[BattlingNelson]

Spot on. I can hardly believe this thread.

[M Bison]

If you strip the flab off of most of Wlad's opponents you end up with guys who are no bigger than Cooper or Jones.

Ali's corner cheated to help buy time against Cooper...

Only a scumbag would use smelling salts to beat someone like Cooper, say what you want about Wladimir but at least his corner didn't do that against Purrity, Sanders or Brewster.

[SBleeder]

Ali's corner cheated to help buy time against Cooper...

Only a scumbag would use smelling salts to beat someone like Cooper, say what you want about Wladimir but at least his corner didn't do that against Purrity, Sanders or Brewster.

That's because all the smelling salts in the world wouldn't have helped him against Puritty, Sanders, or Brewster.

[M Bison]

That's because all the smelling salts in the world wouldn't have helped him against Puritty, Sanders, or Brewster.

So you say but atleast Wladimirs resume is clean and without any controversy.

God forbid if Wlad had a moment like that in his career!

You know what I wouldn't even condone those actions, its reckless and outright dangerous no wonder Ali is in the condition he is today...
Yet there you have the people who can throw bias into things

[GeneralZod]

#1. Joe Louis
#2. Muhammad Ali
#3. George Foreman
#4. Larry Holmes
#5. Lennox Lewis

that's just how Zod feels at the moment.

[SBleeder]

So you say but atleast Wladimirs resume is clean and without any controversy.

God forbid if Wlad had a moment like that in his career!

You know what I wouldn't even condone those actions, its reckless and outright dangerous no wonder Ali is in the condition he is today...
Yet there you have the people who can throw bias into things

You're absolutely right. Wladimir got annihilated by two journeymen and one absolute bum without a shred of controversy.

As for Wlad's resume being clean: Plenty of fighters have been disqualified for doing less clinching than Wlad typically does.

He also landed about as many shots to the back of Biko Botowamungu's head as he did to the front of it.

[Veneficus]

Yes and it's really not close, despite the Louis fan boys saying otherwise.

[SBleeder]

Yes and it's really not close, despite the Louis fan boys saying otherwise.

Joe Louis has fan boys?

[young_robbed]

Ali and Louis are #1 and #2. That's how I see it. Ali has the edge due to his skills, and his resume. Ali's attributes - his chin, heart, hand speed, footwork, and combination punching makes him the best heavyweights ever. At his best, meaning 65-67, he was the best heavyweight I've ever seen based off of the "eye test". I wouldn't favor any heavyweight to beat him, but the ones that would have the best chances would be the likes of Frazier and Lewis.

You can't deny Louis' reign, and his punching accuracy, his power, and his combination punching, but he would've lost to Ali.