What's the best all-time great list you have seen?

[Holywarrior]

Ali is def number 2.. He is a lock, and some could argue #1

No. Charles, Langford, Armstrong, Greb and Robinson are greater to any educated historian.

[jas]

No. Charles, Langford, Armstrong, Greb and Robinson are greater to any educated historian.

lol at you arguing with SAA, he is an atg poster

[Holywarrior]

lol at you arguing with SAA, he is an atg poster

lol @ me arguing with a guy that has "ali" in his name.


Where is your list?

[jas]

lol @ me arguing with a guy that has "ali" in his name.


Where is your list?

i havent got one, you are more educated in regards to boxing history but ill compile one eventually that i can truly abide by

[Sugar Adam Ali]

lol @ me arguing with a guy that has "ali" in his name.


Where is your list?

Lol... You got me there.. Honestly I only have sugar and Ali in my name because it sounds cool. Ali isn't even one of my top 50 favorite fighters..

And the guys you mentioned are all fine candidates.. I favor Ali for the obvious career achievements, but the one critical factor in Ali's ranking is that he fought in what was considered the deepest most talented heavyweight era, and one of the best divisions regardless of weight in history, and he was #1 guy while being past prime.. No other fighter can say they dominated a division's best era while being past prime.. I don't think there is a single guy to ever do that but Ali, and maybe Srr at 160..

[New England]

Lol... You got me there.. Honestly I only have sugar and Ali in my name because it sounds cool. Ali isn't even one of my top 50 favorite fighters..

And the guys you mentioned are all fine candidates.. I favor Ali for the obvious career achievements, but the one critical factor in Ali's ranking is that he fought in what was considered the deepest most talented heavyweight era, and one of the best divisions regardless of weight in history, and he was #1 guy while being past prime.. No other fighter can say they dominated a division's best era while being past prime.. I don't think there is a single guy to ever do that but Ali, and maybe Srr at 160..

robinson i wouldn't say that robinson was dominant at 160. he did have great wins, though. tons of them.

he lost quite a bit, and would win the title back.

[greeh]

Ali is def number 2.. He is a lock, and some could argue #1.

No. Charles, Langford, Armstrong, Greb and Robinson are greater to any educated historian.

I agree with Holywarrior on this one. In my opinion, those fighters he mentions are locked for the Top 5.

I’m not big on putting heavyweights in the Top 10 to be honest. The lack of talent compared to the other “classic” divisions is the main reason, in addition to them being lesser skilled than their smaller-sized counterparts in general. It isn’t madness to have Ali outside the Top 10. He can certainly be inside it, but he isn’t a surefire lock for a Top 5 position or something like that.

I simply don’t see how he can be above a colossus like Ezzard Charles for example, whose resume is nothing else than monstrous.

[Daddy T]

No. Charles, Langford, Armstrong, Greb and Robinson are greater to any educated historian.

stop talking ... all great fighters of course. But no reason why all of them should definitely be rated above ali ... especially Langford.

wins over the likes of ...

Patterson,
Liston,
Foreman,
Frazier

confirm his as ATG

[Holywarrior]

stop talking ... all great fighters of course. But no reason why all of them should definitely be rated above ali ... especially Langford.

wins over the likes of ...

Patterson,
Liston,
Foreman,
Frazier

confirm his as ATG

I never said he wasn't an ATG, he is just lower than those guys, who are basically the holy grail of ATGs

[Holywarrior]

I agree with Holywarrior on this one. In my opinion, those fighters he mentions are locked for the Top 5.

I’m not big on putting heavyweights in the Top 10 to be honest. The lack of talent compared to the other “classic” divisions is the main reason, in addition to them being lesser skilled than their smaller-sized counterparts in general. It isn’t madness to have Ali outside the Top 10. He can certainly be inside it, but he isn’t a surefire lock for a Top 5 position or something like that.

I simply don’t see how he can be above a colossus like Ezzard Charles for example, whose resume is nothing else than monstrous.

Charles' resume is absolutely insane.