A Foreman Punch VS A Tyson Punch.....

[AlexKid]

Tyson is fast!

George is relatively slow! (compared to Tyson)

Both at their primes weighed about the same.

George is known to be the harder puncher although Tyson is close behind.

How can George hit harder when he is slower? Speed is 4 times more important than weight for punching power and george is far slower than Tyson and weighs the same so how does he hit harder? (I believe he does I just dont know how it dosnt seem to make sense!? )

Also both punches seem to have a different effect/flavour to them. A Tyson punch seems to put them out quickly its sharp it causes that loss of conciousness fast. Foreman on the other hand causes a loss of coniousness fast too but his power is more raw and unrefined, later in his career as he was really getting old he had trouble KOing people and they had to accumulate damage since he didnt have the speed and had even less of it being so old and big. What causes the difference in the effect of the two different punchers punches?

[Sugarj]

Tyson is fast!

George is relatively slow! (compared to Tyson)

Both at their primes weighed about the same.

George is known to be the harder puncher although Tyson is close behind.

How can George hit harder when he is slower? Speed is 4 times more important than weight for punching power and george is far slower than Tyson and weighs the same so how does he hit harder? (I believe he does I just dont know how it dosnt seem to make sense!? )

Also both punches seem to have a different effect/flavour to them. A Tyson punch seems to put them out quickly its sharp it causes that loss of conciousness fast. Foreman on the other hand causes a loss of coniousness fast too but his power is more raw and unrefined, later in his career as he was really getting old he had trouble KOing people and they had to accumulate damage since he didnt have the speed and had even less of it being so old and big. What causes the difference in the effect of the two different punchers punches?

Too many other factors to consider than just speed of punch and weight of the boxer. Those familiar with physics might quote that force=mass x acceleration............but this has little relevance in boxing terms.

The force of the blow isn't always responsible for the knockout. Often the punch that isn't seen or anticipated causes the knockout.

Timing, accuracy, punching through the target, technique, leverage, bone density, muscle distribution, reach, also play their part.

In comparing prime versions of both 218Lb Tyson and Foreman. If I'm honest I think both would post similar PSI figures on a machine like that in Rocky 4 (that Ivan Drago is seen to hit). But different punches would favour one or the other. The jab and right cross would almost certainly favour Foreman, whereas the left hook and....tentatively I suggest the right uppercut might favour Tyson.

As you say, as Foreman got older his knockouts became less frequent, despite his power still being regarded as the best in the division. His accumulated mass, reduced leverage and speed meant that combination punching became rather less than it had been in the 70s. His uppercut might have been the heaviest it ever had been, but he wasn't getting to land it with much regularity.

Sometimes a puncher can't be explained, they defy rational thought.

[Cyberspace]

Tyson's punch was much faster but I think Foreman's punch was much harder. Foreman was way, way, way stronger than Tyson too.

[Sugarj]

Tyson's punch was much faster but I think Foreman's punch was much harder. Foreman was way, way, way stronger than Tyson too.

I'd probably argue that when both were around 218Lbs (Foreman 1973 / Tyson 1988) then Tyson would possibly have the slightest edge in a weights gymnasium (not that it matters in boxing much!!). Simply because so much was packed into 5:10 rather than 6:4. I'm positive Tyson would outsquat Foreman for example.

This 'way way way' business might be quite an exaggeration if it were ever proven. Though I grant you Foreman was mentally stronger and probably connected with greater power on his long punches.

[SBleeder]

Foreman hit harder than Tyson.

Do we really need six threads per day discussing the physics of why he hit harder? Go to a calculus forum if it's so important to you.

[Scott9945]

Foreman hit harder than Tyson.

Do we really need six threads per day discussing the physics of why he hit harder? Go to a calculus forum if it's so important to you.

But what if Foreman was Asian and Tyson was White. Who would hit harder then? Stop ducking these questions!

[greeh]

But what if Foreman was Asian and Tyson was White. Who would hit harder then? Stop ducking these questions!

/greeh

[SBleeder]

But what if Foreman was Asian and Tyson was White. Who would hit harder then? Stop ducking these questions!

In that case, Tyson would have approximately 21.7531% more hip rotation than Foreman, even though Foreman would have more chi.

One must also factor in the flavour of the punches: Tyson's would be more beef and potatoes, Foreman more rice and noodles.