how do you define a all time great fighter?

[rightsideup]

your thoughts please

[SBleeder]

Basically a top 100 P4P fighter.

[SCtrojansbaby]

A fighter that you could put in with anybody in the history of the division and not laugh.

For example
Roberto Duran vs Stevie Johnston LMFAO
Roberto Duran vs Oscar De La Hoya Interesting

[Ray Corso]

I evaluate a fighter first looking at their defense and see if they use their defense for offensive opportunity! The same with offensive, do they protect themselves when finishing combinations? Is balance at a primium at all times!!
Is there enough power to be kept honest and respected!!! Is ring generalship a big part of the fighters repitiore and is it a factor in his methods to succeed!
Is the technical form accurate to be able to land shorter, harder more efficent punches?
Does the fighter appear in top condition in all his bouts and does he show the will to win in 90% of the rounds!
Does he show improvement as his career moves on and does he adopt from others to add to his arsonal?
Does he surround himself with quality people who have enough experience to be able to solve problems "during a fight"!!!! Is there equal praise in winning and accepted failure with loosing??
Does the fighter reach his potential regardless of his personal skill level!!
Is his effort honest and is he willing to sacrifice before and during a fight?

Theres a few more technical additions but these are my basic things to focus on when evaluating a fighters talents. Ray.

[Anthony342]

Yes, skill level plays a huge part in that. The other part is resume. Who they beat and WHEN they beat them. Did they beat top fighters and big names in their prime or when they were well past it? If they're past it, but still have something left, then it can still be a good win. If they beat a prime great opponent, then it's a great win. Lamotta beating Robinson and vice versa, Ali beating Frazier and vice versa can be classified as great wins but, on the other hand, Cooney beating Norton or Holmes beating Ali, Norris beating Ray Leonard, not so much, as they were shot, well past it, done by then. That's why names like Armstrong, Ali, Louis, Robinson, Greb, Charles, Moore are consistently mentioned as ATGs. Longevity, lasting a long time, being competitive for a long time against the best can factor into that decision as well.

[rightsideup]

Yes, skill level plays a huge part in that. The other part is resume. Who they beat and WHEN they beat them. Did they beat top fighters and big names in their prime or when they were well past it? If they're past it, but still have something left, then it can still be a good win. If they beat a prime great opponent, then it's a great win. Lamotta beating Robinson and vice versa, Ali beating Frazier and vice versa can be classified as great wins but, on the other hand, Cooney beating Norton or Holmes beating Ali, Norris beating Ray Leonard, not so much, as they were shot, well past it, done by then. That's why names like Armstrong, Ali, Louis, Robinson, Greb, Charles, Moore are consistently mentioned as ATGs. Longevity, lasting a long time, being competitive for a long time against the best can factor into that decision as well.

I agree with you and ray and must stress do to the nature of the sport losses such as the bulk of robinsons, ali"s and durans came at the end of there career when they clearly were not the same men as there prime years.

[joseph5620]

your thoughts please

Skill
Quality of opposition
Wins over top quality opposition
Longevity
Head to head match ups

I historically rate fighters based on those three things. The fighters who I consider superior overall in those areas, I'll rate them higher.

[joseph5620]

A fighter that you could put in with anybody in the history of the division and not laugh.

For example
Roberto Duran vs Stevie Johnston LMFAO
Roberto Duran vs Oscar De La Hoya Interesting

Interesting only because it's Delahoya. A one handed fighter is not beating a fighter on the level of Duran and Delahoya is no exception.

[IronDanHamza]

A fighter that you could put in with anybody in the history of the division and not laugh.

For example
Roberto Duran vs Stevie Johnston LMFAO
Roberto Duran vs Oscar De La Hoya Interesting

What a ******ed line of thinking.

[elpistolero92]

Usually by the caliber of fighter's he's beaten, but there are exceptions!