why do people think tyson is so overrated.........

[butterfly1964]

most out of primes i would like to add.

chuvalo and quarry were in their primes when ali fought them, the first time.

[Verstyle]

chuvalo and quarry were in their primes when ali fought them, the first time.

only 2 outta 5!!

[Skydog]

Folley had not been out of his prime for awhile, and Ali straight clowned him. The first 2 rounds he just danced and hardly threw any punches, the 3rd round he started throwing that straight left (they're not jabs!) with fury, and the 4th round he floors Folley. 3 rounds later, Folley is out for good. And Folley was an extraordinary fighter.

Oh yea, Butterfly, you forgot to mention that Foreman was in his prime.

[butterfly1964]

only 2 outta 5!!

well, he did beat at least 2 HOF'ers in their primes besides foreman and frazier, so that would make a good case for him being a top 10 hw.

[butterfly1964]

Folley had not been out of his prime for awhile, and Ali straight clowned him. The first 2 rounds he just danced and hardly threw any punches, the 3rd round he started throwing that straight left (they're not jabs!) with fury, and the 4th round he floors Folley. 3 rounds later, Folley is out for good. And Folley was an extraordinary fighter.

Oh yea, Butterfly, you forgot to mention that Foreman was in his prime.

yeah, but folley gave him trouble in those rounds. i had folley winning rounds 1 and 2, especially round 1.

oh, yeah, foreman, i guess i was kind of stuck in the 60s.

[Brassangel]

Well, I don't blame you for being stuck in the 60's. Ali's physical prime was in the 60's. His ring generalship prime probably came in the 70's though. If he wasn't as smart as he was, he most likely wouldn't have won as often as he did in the 70's. Brilliant!

Oh yeah, back on topic; Tyson is only overrated when people claim him as the greatest. He was excellent when he was on, but his career is summed up as "could have...".

[kapersky]

well, he did beat at least 2 HOF'ers in their primes besides foreman and frazier, so that would make a good case for him being a top 10 hw.

frazier was not in his prime when he fough ali for the second time.
but prime ali would probably outspeed frazier and win by close ud.

[butterfly1964]

frazier was not in his prime when he fough ali for the second time.
but prime ali would probably outspeed frazier and win by close ud.

alright then, besides foreman.

[Brassangel]

Regardless of whether or not Ali beat them in, or beyond their primes isn't the issue. On his record, and when discussed by the professional analysts, they will see that Ali's record against the hall-of-famers looks like something like this:

Wins:
Patterson = 2
Frazier = 2
Foreman = 1
Liston = 2
Norton = 2
Chuvalo, Folley, Quarry, etc. etc.

Losses:
Frazier = 1
Norton = 1
Holmes = 1

The categories won't say, "Prime Frazier," or "Non-prime Liston," or "Old Ali vs. Holmes," etc. Clearly, his wins far outweigh his losses. Truthfully, you could walk through many great careers and claim they did or didn't fight anybody worthwhile, or that their opponents were past their prime; or that they themselves were beyond their years. Still, Ali would have been considered great even if he had lost to Frazier twice and Foreman in the jungle. His HOF wins would still outweigh his losses during the toughest era of the sport.

Oh yeah, Tyson was great, he just screwed up lots of things. I figured I'd come back to the topic.

[Verstyle]

they talkin bout tyson not ali.ahaha