Best chin in Heavyweight ever.

[Kid Achilles]

Ali was hurt and stunned on numerous ocassions and knocked down a handful of times during his career. You can say the same with Foreman. Oliver McCall and George Chuvalo weren't, despite both having a worse defense than Ali and inferior offensive capability (to keep opponents away) than Foreman. Both of these men clearly had a better chin than either Ali or Foreman.

It really isn't a difficult question. Reasonable answers include Chuvalo and McCall. Or, if you can name another heavyweight who was never knocked down in his entire career despite facing huge punchers, he would belong here too.

Ali and Foreman, while very tough, do not belong here. Neither does Holyfield. Max Baer, Rocky Marciano, and Jim Jeffries had chins just as good as Ali, Holyfield or Foreman but the subject of the thread was not "who are some heavyweights with really good chins", it was "Best chin in Heavyweight ever".

[ricecrispi]

Didn't Chuvalo get knocked down by Quarry and foreman also knocked him down too!

If this is about the best then McCall has to get the nod.

[SonnyG8R]

Ali was hurt and stunned on numerous ocassions and knocked down a handful of times during his career. You can say the same with Foreman. Oliver McCall and George Chuvalo weren't, despite both having a worse defense than Ali and inferior offensive capability (to keep opponents away) than Foreman. Both of these men clearly had a better chin than either Ali or Foreman.

It really isn't a difficult question. Reasonable answers include Chuvalo and McCall. Or, if you can name another heavyweight who was never knocked down in his entire career despite facing huge punchers, he would belong here too.

Ali and Foreman, while very tough, do not belong here. Neither does Holyfield. Max Baer, Rocky Marciano, and Jim Jeffries had chins just as good as Ali, Holyfield or Foreman but the subject of the thread was not "who are some heavyweights with really good chins", it was "Best chin in Heavyweight ever".

Hey kid ******ass, Go **** yourself assneck. Ricecrspi made some good points. Far better than yours frankly. You can take your "my opinion is right and anyone who doesn't agree is a moron" attitude and shove it.

[Kid Achilles]

It's funny how people who have nothing worthwhile to contribute have to resort to personal insults. Is it intentional, or do you just slip into beserker mode through instinct when people don't listen to you? Explain to me again how Ali, who was in serious trouble of getting KO'ed by Henry Cooper and dazed and knocked down on several other ocassions, has a better chin than McCall or Chuvalo who were rarely staggered let alone knocked down in their careers? Because you said so? Maybe for you that holds water but then again you are also the one harrassing a handicapped single parent. Santino I am done arguing with you. People who don't know how to treat others with respect don't deserve it themselves.

ricecrispi,

Neither Foreman nor Quarry knocked Chuvalo down. You do make some good points for possible contenders for the best chin but McCall and Chuvalo were never down in their careers while those other guys were, so it is difficult to make an arguement for putting them above either Oliver or George.

It would be one thing if Chuvalo and McCall never faced any dangerous punchers, or if each had a superb defense, but the truth is that neither guy was a good defensive boxer and both fought a few huge punchers in their day.

[sonofisis]

Sugar Ray Robinson had the best chin of all time...

[ricecrispi]

I agree on your choices in Chuvalo and McCall.

Your like that reasoning. Bad defense equals getting hit more. If you get hit more and don't go down = good chin. I agree, Ali, Frazier, Vander were tough but not the best.

Lets reconsider Chuvalo.
I know for sure Chuvalo was never knocked out, and considered to be the toughest chin in the Heavys in the 60's and 70's but I pretty sure he was hurt plenty of times. Thats why he was stopped against Frazier and Foreman knocked him ACROSS the entire ring and then stopped him(he never hit the matt though cuz he got saved by ropes). He was definiately hurt many times with Quarry (never dropped again, my mistake) and Chuvalo still won the fight. He's never be knocked out but still he's been hurt so bad he couldn't continue.

McCALL on the other hand, you ever seen his two fights with Lewis you know that guy was not right in the head. That guy was never hurt, never down, never TKO'ed.

[madmadworld]

McCALL
very tuff
how about mr. forman ?
he did go down but still some of his fights he took some really hard shots.
and a guy named shavers ??

[Kid Achilles]

Foreman was very tough indeed but Shaver's chin was about as weak as his punch was strong. He was stopped in a single round by Jerry Quarry who could punch but was no George Foreman. I'm pretty sure even Ron Stander knocked him out...

While we're on the subject of great chins, Tex Cobb weathered EVERYTHING Shavers threw at him. In fact, Shavers injured his hands on Tex's concrete block of a head. Un****ingbelievable. Tex on his best nights was nigh unstoppable but he does have that random knockout loss that forces me to put him below McCall and Chuvalo. I think it may have been all that coke finally catching up to him.

[SonnyG8R]

I agree on your choices in Chuvalo and McCall.

Your like that reasoning. Bad defense equals getting hit more. If you get hit more and don't go down = good chin. I agree, Ali, Frazier, Vander were tough but not the best.

Lets reconsider Chuvalo.
I know for sure Chuvalo was never knocked out, and considered to be the toughest chin in the Heavys in the 60's and 70's but I pretty sure he was hurt plenty of times. Thats why he was stopped against Frazier and Foreman knocked him ACROSS the entire ring and then stopped him(he never hit the matt though cuz he got saved by ropes). He was definiately hurt many times with Quarry (never dropped again, my mistake) and Chuvalo still won the fight. He's never be knocked out but still he's been hurt so bad he couldn't continue.

McCALL on the other hand, you ever seen his two fights with Lewis you know that guy was not right in the head. That guy was never hurt, never down, never TKO'ed.

Good points. Kid Achilles tries to make it sound like Chuvalo was never hurt. Saying he was never knocked down is ****** because he was saved from a brutal beating by the ref in both the Frazier and Foreman fights. Ali withstood far worse punishment from both men and continued fighting.

[Kid Achilles]

Ali took some punishment from Foreman and Frazier, and took it well, but he was not the wide open target that Chuvalo was. Anyone who says Ali took the best Foreman had to offer was not watching that fight with a careful eye. Foreman landed a lot of wicked shots- to Ali's body and arms! Very few of those punches landed clean like they did on Chuvalo.

Throughout his career, Chuvalo absorbed much more punishment than Ali. This is because even at his very slowest, Ali was a better defensive fighter than George, and yet he was still dropped several times. The only one I would call a flash knockdown was against Wepner.

And it wasn't as if Ali was only knocked down by huge punchers. Getting floored by Sonny Banks and Henry Cooper (who Ali was in very real danger of suffering a KO loss to if not for Angelo Dundee's quick thinking), neither of whom were all time great punchers, should immediately disqualify Ali as a possible candidate for the title of best chin.