McLarnin, Ross and Canzoneri

[DarkTerror88]

The triumverate of the general welterweight area. What are your thoughts on each of these men and who was greatest?

Edit: also explain / compare and contrast their styles

[DarkTerror88]

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[JAB5239]

The triumverate of the general welterweight area. What are your thoughts on each of these men and who was greatest?

Edit: also explain / compare and contrast their styles

All great fighters and ranked closely all time p4p. But for me, the best of the 3 is Ross. He holds the edge over both in h2h fights and was a 3 division champion. I'd probably rank them Ross, McLarnin and Canzoneri in that order.

On a side note - Jimmy McLarnin has one of the most overlooked and under rated resumes in boxing history.

[DarkTerror88]

All great fighters and ranked closely all time p4p. But for me, the best of the 3 is Ross. He holds the edge over both in h2h fights and was a 3 division champion. I'd probably rank them Ross, McLarnin and Canzoneri in that order.

On a side note - Jimmy McLarnin has one of the most overlooked and under rated resumes in boxing history.

I myself also feel that Ross is the greatest of the trio. I rank McLarnin very highly at welterweight. He is in my top 10

1.) Robinson
2.) Armstrong
3.) Gavilan
4.) Leonard
5.) Napoles
6.) Griffith
7.) Hearns
8.) Barbados Walcott
9.) McLarnin
10.) Basilio

Welterweight is difficult because it has so much talent

PS thanks for being the only person with enough ballz to respond to this thread haha

[JAB5239]

I myself also feel that Ross is the greatest of the trio. I rank McLarnin very highly at welterweight. He is in my top 10

1.) Robinson
2.) Armstrong
3.) Gavilan
4.) Leonard
5.) Napoles
6.) Griffith
7.) Hearns
8.) Barbados Walcott
9.) McLarnin
10.) Basilio

Welterweight is difficult because it has so much talent

PS thanks for being the only person with enough ballz to respond to this thread haha

I don't think there is a huge sum of knowledge on this board concerning these three so many are reluctant to answer. All are worth looking into and getting a better idea of their careers though. Their skills and 3 way rivalry are among the very best in history.

[MonsieurGeorges]

Barney was a great all around guy. Great example of how far good fundamentals can take you, not saying he was a bad athlete or anything but his talent lied in finesse and consistency. He had excellent coaching and could lay back and beat almost anyone in a calm technical way. His style and temperament was such that it took someone exceptional to get him out of his comfort zone let alone beat him.

Canzoneri is my personal favorite fighter of all time. He was the "hooker" that you didn't want to hook with because he had short blows that arrived suddenly. Pitbull on the inside and really classy on the outside, he is the genuine NY boxing legend. He had the same "nightlife" vibe as SRR where he connected with the fans because he came off like a regular city guy. He fit right into the east coast thing at the time, like Dempsey fit right into the western thing during his time. The unorthodox things he did were just incredible. So light on his feet but almost Tyson-like in his approach, he had that style where he appeared to be having so much fun but at the same time was deathly serious. Just like SRR, he was adept at sneaking you and despite not being real heavy handed, having a small bone structure etc. he often dropped people with a "check-mate" type of shot. Just a guy with so much talent uniquely fitted to the demands of boxing

Mclarnin as someone else said is one of the most underrated of all time. He was a twisting, turning nightmare that punched with both hands. He is the classic skinny looking guy that could knock your lights out but you would never know it. From what I understand he won a lot of early bouts because he was so pale and weak looking that fighters would rush to stand in close with him looking to pound in his protruding rib cage and usually get KOed. He understood "speed as power" and used that principle to stay tight let the knockouts come "naturally". By the time he was at WW he had a much more sturdy frame but chose to actually hang back and box because he had messed up his hands and wrists from punching so hard as a kid.

[JAB5239]

Barney was a great all around guy. Great example of how far good fundamentals can take you, not saying he was a bad athlete or anything but his talent lied in finesse and consistency. He had excellent coaching and could lay back and beat almost anyone in a calm technical way. His style and temperament was such that it took someone exceptional to get him out of his comfort zone let alone beat him.

Canzoneri is my personal favorite fighter of all time. He was the "hooker" that you didn't want to hook with because he had short blows that arrived suddenly. Pitbull on the inside and really classy on the outside, he is the genuine NY boxing legend. He had the same "nightlife" vibe as SRR where he connected with the fans because he came off like a regular city guy. He fit right into the east coast thing at the time, like Dempsey fit right into the western thing during his time. The unorthodox things he did were just incredible. So light on his feet but almost Tyson-like in his approach, he had that style where he appeared to be having so much fun but at the same time was deathly serious. Just like SRR, he was adept at sneaking you and despite not being real heavy handed, having a small bone structure etc. he often dropped people with a "check-mate" type of shot. Just a guy with so much talent uniquely fitted to the demands of boxing

Mclarnin as someone else said is one of the most underrated of all time. He was a twisting, turning nightmare that punched with both hands. He is the classic skinny looking guy that could knock your lights out but you would never know it. From what I understand he won a lot of early bouts because he was so pale and weak looking that fighters would rush to stand in close with him looking to pound in his protruding rib cage and usually get KOed. He understood "speed as power" and used that principle to stay tight let the knockouts come "naturally". By the time he was at WW he had a much more sturdy frame but chose to actually hang back and box because he had messed up his hands and wrists from punching so hard as a kid.

Very nice post!

[DarkTerror88]

Barney was a great all around guy. Great example of how far good fundamentals can take you, not saying he was a bad athlete or anything but his talent lied in finesse and consistency. He had excellent coaching and could lay back and beat almost anyone in a calm technical way. His style and temperament was such that it took someone exceptional to get him out of his comfort zone let alone beat him.

Canzoneri is my personal favorite fighter of all time. He was the "hooker" that you didn't want to hook with because he had short blows that arrived suddenly. Pitbull on the inside and really classy on the outside, he is the genuine NY boxing legend. He had the same "nightlife" vibe as SRR where he connected with the fans because he came off like a regular city guy. He fit right into the east coast thing at the time, like Dempsey fit right into the western thing during his time. The unorthodox things he did were just incredible. So light on his feet but almost Tyson-like in his approach, he had that style where he appeared to be having so much fun but at the same time was deathly serious. Just like SRR, he was adept at sneaking you and despite not being real heavy handed, having a small bone structure etc. he often dropped people with a "check-mate" type of shot. Just a guy with so much talent uniquely fitted to the demands of boxing

Mclarnin as someone else said is one of the most underrated of all time. He was a twisting, turning nightmare that punched with both hands. He is the classic skinny looking guy that could knock your lights out but you would never know it. From what I understand he won a lot of early bouts because he was so pale and weak looking that fighters would rush to stand in close with him looking to pound in his protruding rib cage and usually get KOed. He understood "speed as power" and used that principle to stay tight let the knockouts come "naturally". By the time he was at WW he had a much more sturdy frame but chose to actually hang back and box because he had messed up his hands and wrists from punching so hard as a kid.

Hats off to you sir! A grade A analysis!

[Sugar Sting Ray]

All three were great but none had the unique combination of speed and power that today's pound for pound king Manny Pacquiao has. But there is absolutely no question that they were extremely tough. If they were around today, Mayweather would duck them like he ducked Cotto and Margarito in favor of Judah and Baldomir.

The days of Ross, Canzoneri, and McLarnin are long gone. They were tough as nails.Real champions not cowards.