A question to those who were following boxing for at least 15 years...

[studentofthegam]

Agreed. Joppy was considered the second best welter at the time and I think that ranking was right. The way Tito dismantled him was shocking. And I was a big Tito fan. I picked Tito to win going into the Hopkins fight. It took me about eight rounds to realize what was going on. Up until then, I was still waiting for Tito to land that one punch to turn it around. By the ninth, I was in awe. Not a fan of Bernard but that is one fight I watch over and over. Such a masterful performance.

Fellas we gotta be consistent. Now yall are playing with the numbers to fit the argument. How good was Joppy really? I never hear about Joppy in the tough opponent category except when it has to do with Tito. Joppy was a product of a par at best division and thats also the same thing that holds Bernard from the elites in boxing history with his historic defenses.

[New England]

Fellas we gotta be consistent. Now yall are playing with the numbers to fit the argument. How good was Joppy really? I never hear about Joppy in the tough opponent category except when it has to do with Tito. Joppy was a product of a par at best division and thats also the same thing that holds Bernard from the elites in boxing history with his historic defenses.

the fact remains that he was considered one of the best mw's around at the time and he earned it


he was a solid professional fighter and a real MW. he never weighed much less than 160 throughout his career. he could punch

he beat the only guy who had beat him at the time, twice, once via stoppage.
he held a world title and over the course made many defenses against guys who obviously weren't of a historic tier, but earned shots at world titles.


he's a solid win, at any rate
not many longtime WW's would be able to dispatch of him in 5 rounds

tito was a special offensive talent



and since when is bernard hopkins not a historic elite?

[IMDAZED]

Fellas we gotta be consistent. Now yall are playing with the numbers to fit the argument. How good was Joppy really? I never hear about Joppy in the tough opponent category except when it has to do with Tito. Joppy was a product of a par at best division and thats also the same thing that holds Bernard from the elites in boxing history with his historic defenses.

Huh? Regardless, Joppy was considered the #2 MW in the world.

[bojangles1987]

Fellas we gotta be consistent. Now yall are playing with the numbers to fit the argument. How good was Joppy really? I never hear about Joppy in the tough opponent category except when it has to do with Tito. Joppy was a product of a par at best division and thats also the same thing that holds Bernard from the elites in boxing history with his historic defenses.

Still, he was at the very least a top flight middleweight that had never been utterly destroyed like that. It proved Tito was a capable middleweight. Not like Tito was blown up and unproven, if not for Hopkins Trinidad ends up the undisputed middleweight champion.

[studentofthegam]

the fact remains that he was considered one of the best mw's around at the time and he earned it


he was a solid professional fighter and a real MW. he never weighed much less than 160 throughout his career. he could punch

he beat the only guy who had beat him at the time, twice, once via stoppage.
he held a world title and over the course made many defenses against guys who obviously weren't of a historic tier, but earned shots at world titles.


he's a solid win, at any rate
not many longtime WW's would be able to dispatch of him in 5 rounds

tito was a special offensive talent



and since when is bernard hopkins not a historic elite?

What Im saying is with Hopkins' track record he should be atleast top 5 all time. Years of reign and 20 straight defenses and now the oldest champion in history. Im willing to bet he's not in any of your top 10 all time. Why? Because of a lack luster division in which he dominated. I dont know guys. I just remember thinking that people were just getting lost in the hype then and even more now.

[IronDanHamza]

What Im saying is with Hopkins' track record he should be atleast top 5 all time. Years of reign and 20 straight defenses and now the oldest champion in history. Im willing to bet he's not in any of your top 10 all time. Why? Because of a lack luster division in which he dominated. I dont know guys. I just remember thinking that people were just getting lost in the hype then and even more now.

I'm not sure where you're lost but all we're saying is Tito proved he was a cpapable Middleweight by beating the #2 ranked Middleweight in very impressive fashion.

And was an excellent win for Hopkins.

That's all.