Tunney's all time heanyweight ranking?

[StarshipTrooper]

Haha i was thinking the same

Its sad how much one guy can repeat themselves over and over again,its quite worrying how somebody can be so obsessive

I like this one:
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[JAB5239]

In all honesty it is far more ludicrous to have Lennox ranked 5 than to have Dempsey 2 or Tunney 7. Unlike Lennox, a strong case can be made for Dempsey to be ranked in the top 5 as his greatness is well known by all boxing historians, whereas Lennox is a highly debatable fighter for his glass chin, bad footwork and questionable resume of has beens and early one punch knockouts to journeyman fighters that no other great in history would have succumbed to.

This is a very good article, give it a read.



The more time goes on, the more people forget the greatness of Jack Dempsey. In no way is Lennox close to the caliber of Jack Dempsey.

Funny thing is you criticize Lewis for the same things Dempsey did as champion. Dempsey ducked both Greb and Wills. He was knocked out by Flynn who was coming off 5 straight losses. He only defended the title 7 times in 8 years. He fought Greb's leftovers. These are facts my friend. Lennox at least beat an at or close to prime all time great in Holyfield. I hold that in much higher regard than any single win of the wonderful Dempsey. I've mentioned these things before yet you chose to ignore them. With all due respect, I see a lot of hypocrisy going on.

[Vadrigar.]

Funny thing is you criticize Lewis for the same things Dempsey did as champion. Dempsey ducked both Greb and Wills. He was knocked out by Flynn who was coming off 5 straight losses. He only defended the title 7 times in 8 years. He fought Greb's leftovers. These are facts my friend. Lennox at least beat an at or close to prime all time great in Holyfield. I hold that in much higher regard than any single win of the wonderful Dempsey. I've mentioned these things before yet you chose to ignore them. With all due respect, I see a lot of hypocrisy going on.

What do you think of my list?

[JAB5239]

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. larry Holmes
4. George Foreman
5. Rocky Marciano
6. Joe Frazier
7. Evander Holyfield
8. Lennox Lewis
9. Sonny Liston
10. Jack Johnson

Your list sounds like a Bert Sugar list. He's quite big on Jack Dempsey

No, no, thats not my list. This is my list.


1. Joe Louis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Larry Holmes
4. Jack Johnson
5. Lennox Lewis
6. George Foreman
7. Mike Tyson
8. Sonny Liston
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Rocky Marciano
11. Jack Dempsey
12. Joe Frazier

[JAB5239]

What do you think of my list?

Its a good, respectable list. I think Marciano and Frazier are a bit high and Johnson to low, but its all subjective.

[IronDanHamza]

Gene Tunney is not Top 10 HW material. It's ridiculous to claim otherwise.

[Vadrigar.]

Its a good, respectable list. I think Marciano and Frazier are a bit high and Johnson to low, but its all subjective.

Thanks, I was actually thinking of switching Marciano and Johnson around. On yours I think Foreman should be ahead of Lewis and Frazier should take Tyson's place, but as you said it is really subjective.

Speaking of Gene Tunney, no way is he a top 10 ATG. Who's the author of the list you posted?

[JAB5239]

In all honesty it is far more ludicrous to have Lennox ranked 5 than to have Dempsey 2 or Tunney 7. Unlike Lennox, a strong case can be made for Dempsey to be ranked in the top 5 as his greatness is well known by all boxing historians, whereas Lennox is a highly debatable fighter for his glass chin, bad footwork and questionable resume of has beens and early one punch knockouts to journeyman fighters that no other great in history would have succumbed to.

This is a very good article, give it a read.



The more time goes on, the more people forget the greatness of Jack Dempsey. In no way is Lennox close to the caliber of Jack Dempsey.

Lol, I got all the way down to the part where he said LL's physique was "obviously" influenced by steroids and I stopped reading. That one ridiculous claim, with no proof to support it, undermines everything else he said in my opinion.

[Vadrigar.]

Lol, I got all the way down to the part where he said LL's physique was "obviously" influenced by steroids and I stopped reading. That one ridiculous claim, with no proof to support it, undermines everything else he said in my opinion.

haha there's about as much evidence as LL being a fruit as him juicing.

[JAB5239]

Thanks, I was actually thinking of switching Marciano and Johnson around. On yours I think Foreman should be ahead of Lewis and Frazier should take Tyson's place, but as you said it is really subjective.

I've thought of switching the two but Lennox has a better winning resume in my opinion. I wouldn't argue with anyone's decision to put Lennox anywhere between 5 and 11, but firmly believe he belongs no lower.

Speaking of Gene Tunney, no way is he a top 10 ATG. Who's the author of the list you posted?

The list is actually from another forum and I wouldn't want to embarrass anyone.