Georges Carpentier

[Perfect Plex]

I just wanted your take on Carpentier & his greatness. What are your thoughts on him?

[Barn]

A good solid fighter in my opinion, but lost most of his big name fights I wouldn't put him quite in the ATG scale but he is not far from it and is certainly a HoF.

[Perfect Plex]

A good solid fighter in my opinion, but lost most of his big name fights I wouldn't put him in the ATG scale but, certainly a HoF.

Surely he's a top 100 ATG?

[Joey Giardello]

A good solid fighter in my opinion, but lost most of his big name fights I wouldn't put him in the ATG scale but, certainly a HoF.

Carpentier is a all time great!!!!!!!

[Kid McCoy]

Carpentier is a all time great!!!!!!!

Carpentier usually lost when he stepped up in class, unless the fight had been fixed in his favour or he got himself a specious DQ win. His significance is his huge influence on the development of European boxing rather than his actual ring accomplishments.

[Joey Giardello]

Carpentier usually lost when he stepped up in class, unless the fight had been fixed in his favour or he got himself a specious DQ win. His significance is his huge influence on the development of European boxing rather than his actual ring accomplishments.

Alot of historians class Carpentier as they greatest fighter to come out of europe, he won european titles in something like 5 weights, when the european title was very highly thought off, he beat some great fighters like ted lewis and Barney Lebrowitz. Also Carpenter was that highly thought he made it in the ibhf in 1991, before great fighters like charley burley, tiger flowers and panama al brown

[Perfect Plex]

Carpentier usually lost when he stepped up in class, unless the fight had been fixed in his favour or he got himself a specious DQ win. His significance is his huge influence on the development of European boxing rather than his actual ring accomplishments.

Explain?

Surely he wound't be viewed as such a great fighter if this was the case then....

[CarlosG815]

Alot of historians class Carpentier as they greatest fighter to come out of europe, he won european titles in something like 5 weights, when the european title was very highly thought off, he beat some great fighters like ted lewis and Barney Lebrowitz. Also Carpenter was that highly thought he made it in the ibhf in 1991, before great fighters like charley burley, tiger flowers and panama al brown

I agree with what you say but his win over Ted Kid Lewis to me is tainted. He hit Ted on the break when Ted was acknowledging the referees commands.

He was very good and IMO is an all time great.

[bklynboy]

Surely he's a top 100 ATG?

That is a good question. Is he? Off the top of my head I don't think Carpentier makes the TOP 100.

I've never made a TOP 100 list but I think he makes (barely) the TOP 25 in Light Heavy/Heavyweight for the first half century (1950) and definitely doesn't make it for all-time. That being said I don't see how he makes the TOP 100 boxer of all-time.

[Kid McCoy]

Explain?

Surely he wound't be viewed as such a great fighter if this was the case then....

There were lots of su****ions at the time that the Levinsky fight was fixed to set up the lucrative million dollar gate with Dempsey. See reports like this:



Carpentier was on the verge of being stopped by Gunboat Smith when his manager jumped into the ring and claimed a dubious foul (Carpentier tried to do the same against Tunney). He had a questionable decision against a faded welterweight Willie Lewis go his way. Then there were the shenanigans with Siki who was supposed to take a dive but double-crossed Carpentier and knocked him out. That they felt a limited fighter like Siki had to be paid to lose to Carpentier is itself pretty revealing. Kid Lewis was a welterweight fighting a light-heavy. How much credit would you give Bob Foster if he KO'd Sugar Ray Leonard? Especially if he cheap-shotted him on the break.

Carpentier was hugely popular in his day and a very important influence on the growth of boxing in Europe (that is his greatness) but he was protected with set-ups and numerous su****ious results and usually took a pasting when he stepped up in class (Dempsey, Tunney, Klaus, Dixie Kid, Gibbons, Papke etc).