Are the Klitschko Brothers greater than Max Bear?

[JAB5239]

Baer didn't take boxing very seriously, which was why he is considered by most an underachiever. The brothers get everything they can from their talent. If Baer had their work ethic, maybe he would have been an all time great heavyweight. But he wasn't.

Getting back to the point of the thread, Baer didn't even make one successful title defense. The Klitschko's have made more than I can count. And before anyone tells me about how much better his competition was, Baer dropped his title to a journeyman with 23 losses who wouldn't even be a top 5 cruiserweight today. So IMO, the Klitschko's are clearly greater than Max Baer.

While his run as champion certainly isn't as impressive as either Klitschko's as a titlist, his wins over fighters like Schaaf, Loughran, Schmeling and Farr is far superior to anything either brother has accomplished in my opinion.

[Holtol]

Max Baer would KO both K brothers.

Primo was bigger then the Klitschkos and had a better recored going into the Max Bear fight. I don't know if the Klitschkos opponents were a higher level then Primo's its hard to imagine. Good video showing that size does not matter as much as some people think.

I used to practice a lot of judo for fun and even in that sport where you think size would matter I was able to handle guys well over 300 pounds while I was only 160 pounds. I worked out with a guy 6 foot 8 and close to 400 pounds and I was able to throw him on the ground and did better then he did. And I was not good enough to go to the Olympics or anything like that. I played lots of sports and I never noticed big guys being better at them then more normal size people.

I never boxed much but I played lots of sports growing up I find it hard to beleive that size matters in the sport as much as people think. I think Emanuel Steward has caused this perception as much as anyone he is likely the best trainer in the heavyweight division.

[Scott9945]

While his run as champion certainly isn't as impressive as either Klitschko's as a titlist, his wins over fighters like Schaaf, Loughran, Schmeling and Farr is far superior to anything either brother has accomplished in my opinion.

Scaaf was an ok heavyweight contender, but nothing special. Loughran was a great lightheavyweight who was too small for Baer. Tommy Farr lost plenty of fights, and many of them were obscure opponents. Of course the Schmelling fight was a great win for Baer. To be honest, I'd pick Eddie Chambers or Tony Thompson over Schaaf and Farr.

[BigStereotype]

Primo was bigger then the Klitschkos and had a better recored going into the Max Bear fight. I don't know if the Klitschkos opponents were a higher level then Primo's its hard to imagine. Good video showing that size does not matter as much as some people think.

I used to practice a lot of judo for fun and even in that sport where you think size would matter I was able to handle guys well over 300 pounds while I was only 160 pounds. I worked out with a guy 6 foot 8 and close to 400 pounds and I was able to throw him on the ground and did better then he did. And I was not good enough to go to the Olympics or anything like that. I played lots of sports and I never noticed big guys being better at them then more normal size people.

I never boxed much but I played lots of sports growing up I find it hard to beleive that size matters in the sport as much as people think. I think Emanuel Steward has caused this perception as much as anyone he is likely the best trainer in the heavyweight division.

The problem with that analogy is that judo is a martial art specifically designed to overcome size differences. Boxing has weight classes for a reason. Size doesn't matter enough to say that Wlad > Louis or even Vitali > Frazier, but there's a reason Pacquiao isn't going to be fighting Wlad any time soon.

[Holtol]

The problem with that analogy is that judo is a martial art specifically designed to overcome size differences. Boxing has weight classes for a reason. Size doesn't matter enough to say that Wlad > Louis or even Vitali > Frazier, but there's a reason Pacquiao isn't going to be fighting Wlad any time soon.

Actualy there are weight classes in Judo also. I think its a good idea in Judo and wrestling also because more people get to win and its good for the sports because it increases particapaction. If sports like boxing,Judo,wrestling just had one weight class participaction would be low because people want to win. Or at least have a chance of winning, with one weight class there would not be much winning going on in tournements. Also in boxing I beleive it helps the business of boxing to have more championship fights. Sure there would be many big top contenders if there was only one open weight class but I think there would be smaller fighters that would do well and even be champions. And I don't agree with you about Judo being superior at overcoming size compared to boxing.

I played many sports Basball,long distance running, Point Karate, Judo, Soccer. I would have liked to take up boxing but there were no boxing gyms where I live but I have a heavybag and have practiced boxing because I like the sport, but I know I am not good at it and I don't know a anything about being in a ring with someone lol. So I may be wrong and be missing something about the sport and size may be more important then I think. But I find it hard to believe.

If size is so important why didnt Primo simply punch Max's head into orbit? Primo was 260 pounds Max was only a measly 210 pounds.

I agree that light weights can not move up in weight as easy. Its because of the vast numbers of people who train hard that end up near middle weight. This group of people produces more average people, genius people, ******ed people . So lightweights when they move up are moving into weight classes where they have normaly no talent advantage. Where I believe middle weights can move up because they are moving into weight classes where they should have a talent advantage. Talent being even I think a bigger man wins but the odds are against a big man having more talent.

[JAB5239]

Scaaf was an ok heavyweight contender, but nothing special. Loughran was a great lightheavyweight who was too small for Baer. Tommy Farr lost plenty of fights, and many of them were obscure opponents. Of course the Schmelling fight was a great win for Baer. To be honest, I'd pick Eddie Chambers or Tony Thompson over Schaaf and Farr.

He still has a better resume in my opinion. I can't go on who I think would win a fantasy fight but on only who they have beat and who those opponents beat. This isn't to be blamed on either brother because their is **** in the division to fight at the moment and they're still fighting. At the moment though I'll stick with Baer. Jmo, of course.