Top 5 Middleweights. (Includes SMW and JMW)

[SCtrojansbaby]

Who did he beat to deserve such accolades?

Not just beat but dominated 2 ATGs Hopkins and Toney.

Beat good legit #2 light heavyweights:

Hill
McCallum
Griffin
Harding
Tarver

Practically shutout a top 3 heavyweight at the time in Ruiz

[Kid McCoy]

#1 Pound for Pound in the world from 1994-2004, Moved up from middle weight to heavy, Lost maybe 30 rounds total in his first 49 fights

Speaks for its self.

Jones was not p4p #1 in all that time. And Jones going up to heavyweight was not some unique achievement. Schmeling, Charles and Ellis among others fought at middleweight and went on to win the heavyweight title. And they did it when they had to weigh 160 on the day of the fight, not 24-48 hours before like Jones could. I'm not sure Jones would have even made 160 under the old weigh-in rules.

[SCtrojansbaby]

Jones was not p4p #1 in all that time. And Jones going up to heavyweight was not some unique achievement. Schmeling, Charles and Ellis among others fought at middleweight and went on to win the heavyweight title. And they did it when they had to weigh 160 on the day of the fight, not 24-48 hours before like Jones could. I'm not sure Jones would have even made 160 under the old weigh-in rules.

What? Roy fought at 154 for a quite a few fights at the begining of his career. Also did Schmeling Charles and Ellis win championships at everystop along the way like Roy?

[SCtrojansbaby]

Roy became Pound for Pound #1 when he destroyed Toney and former P4P JCC lost to Randall I believe that same year. Some people want to say JCC beat Randall in the rematch and stayed #1 then Oscar beat him(JCC was far removed from his prime) and became #1 but that is baloney. If you want to say Roy didn't become #1 until Oscar beat JCC fine but Oscar was never #1 especially considering ALL OF HIS BEST WINS were all well past there prime(Pernell JCC and Camacho)

[Kid McCoy]

What? Roy fought at 154 for a quite a few fights at the begining of his career. Also did Schmeling Charles and Ellis win championships at everystop along the way like Roy?

He weighed 154 under modern conditions. He never had to make weight on the day of the fight. In past eras Jones would have been a natural light-heavyweight. Had there been 4 or 5 ABC belts floating around then I suspect Ellis and Charles at least would have been middleweight champions too. Nor did they get to handpick a John Ruiz to win their heavyweight belt from like Jones did.

Here are the Ring's annual pound4pound ratings. I count three years from 1994-04 when Jones was p4p #1, although 1997 is missing so it may be four.

[SCtrojansbaby]

He weighed 154 under modern conditions. He never had to make weight on the day of the fight. In past eras Jones would have been a natural light-heavyweight. Had there been 4 or 5 ABC belts floating around then I suspect Ellis and Charles at least would have been middleweight champions too. Nor did they get to handpick a John Ruiz to win their heavyweight belt from like Jones did.

Here are the Ring's annual pound4pound ratings. I count three years from 1994-04 when Jones was p4p #1, although 1997 is missing so it may be four.

Those don't mean jack evidence by the fact that they have Whitaker of over Roy in 94

Roy beat Tate Garcia and moved up in weight and shutout the undisputed #1 supermiddle that year

Pernell beat a 32 year old James Mcgirt and Carlos Sardona that year neither win was as dominant as Roy's over Toney

Also if you can make 154 then you can make 160 i don't care about the conditions

[Kid McCoy]

Those don't mean jack evidence by the fact that they have Whitaker of over Roy in 94

Roy beat Tate Garcia and moved up in weight and shutout the undisputed #1 supermiddle that year

Pernell beat a 32 year old James Mcgirt and Carlos Sardona that year neither win was as dominant as Roy's over Toney

Also if you can make 154 then you can make 160 i don't care about the conditions

Well you're entitled to your opinion, but the point is there was no consensus for Jones being p4p #1 for ten years like you keep saying.

It's one thing making 154 when you have a day to rehydrate to your preferred weight. It's something else doing it on the day of the fight. Jones never weighed 154 in the ring.

[Toney616]

Not just beat but dominated 2 ATGs Hopkins and Toney.

He beat Hopkins in 93. The Toney win was a great win

Beat good legit #2 light heavyweights:
Hill

Hill was coming off a loss and hadn't fought in 10 months

McCallum

He was pushing 40 and one fight away form retirement. He went 1-3 in his last 4 fights

Griffin
Harding

Solid wins

Tarver

And Tarver would beat him 2 times, proving he was a better fighter than Jones

Practically shutout a top 3 heavyweight at the time in Ruiz

Ruiz is a journeyman, while Lewis was the linear/wbc champ. He was the man to beat, not Ruiz

[SCtrojansbaby]

He beat Hopkins in 93. The Toney win was a great win

Hill was coming off a loss and hadn't fought in 10 months

He was pushing 40 and one fight away form retirement. He went 1-3 in his last 4 fights

Solid wins

And Tarver would beat him 2 times, proving he was a better fighter than Jones

Ruiz is a journeyman, while Lewis was the linear/wbc champ. He was the man to beat, not Ruiz

You are right Hill was coming off a loss to Dariuzs(who wouldn't come to america) hence getting stripped of his belts but Hill was still a big time fighter and a top 5 guy in the division at the time and one of top 4 light heavyweights of the decade.

McCullum was still a pretty danm good fight who roy made look really bad as he did all his opponents back then.

If anything it makes it more amazing that Roy coming back down from and now clearly past his prime could beat Tarver once.

Ruiz was without a doubt a top 3 heavyweight in the world when Roy fought him

[Toney616]

You are right Hill was coming off a loss to Dariuzs(who wouldn't come to america) hence getting stripped of his belts

He was stripped of his belts because he had the WBO belt, so the IBF and WBA made up excuses to strip him of their belts, it had nothing to do with him coming to America

If anything it makes it more amazing that Roy coming back down from and now clearly past his prime could beat Tarver once.

He was only a little bit past prime, he had just came of the second best win of his career so he must of still had a lot left in the tank.
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I scored the first fight for Tarver