Would these fighters be champs today?

[XionComrade]

Jerry Quarry
Oscar Bonavena
Earnie Shavers
George Chuvalo
Mac Foster.

As the Klitschko's are today,in their primes...

Bonavena had a big punch, and was extremely durable and rough. I don't see him beating either one, but making a better fight with Wlad(Wlad is more of a fighter than Vitali, who would just run 100% of the time to Wlad's 75%). I can see two close, very competitive fights. Neither Klitschko can KO him, or really even put him on ***** street, but he is more than capable of finish Wlad.

Earnie Shavers supposedly had a considerably longer reach than either of them, on par with Liston's freak reach. And thus, despite their height advantage, will force them to get inside of his punching range to get at him. Earnie's power is more than enough to take either Klitschko in a instant, regardless of whether it is a left or a right. He sets his shots up well with a jab, and has very good handspeed. I see two very close fights, but I cannot see either Klitschko lasting the distance against Earnie's pressure TBH. Both of them are weak against a good pressure fighter, and both, Wlad especially, stand no chance here if they are caught. Couple that with Shavers' reach advantage and quick starting, and both of them are in trouble. I can see him taking Wlad, but I can also see Vitali lasting into the later rounds. Of course we are talking prime to prime here.

The Shavers that fought Lyle against Wlad, and the one that fought Holmes and Ali against Vitali.

I can see either of the quick footed Klitschkos outboxing Chuvalo. George had a great chin, great heart, stamina, and boxing skills. He lacked a great defense and KO power. I think they both take a hard earned decission, Vitali taking the worse beating of the two. I can see Chuvalo being a bloody mess against Wlad however, possible that the fight be stopped in the championship rounds due to cuts.

Quarry, I can see being the toughest one to call. He was a great in fighter, with KO power, a great chin, stamina, heart, he basically had it all.

I would say that either Klitschko is at the level of a Quarry or Shavers, But over Bonavena, Chuvalo, and Foster obviously. And just under the greats. Ali, Foreman, Liston, etc...

[katsidis]

And this is based on what exactly? :thinking9: The division's a cesspool right now.

Poet

Both Klitschkos are a class above all of them IMO, they all get dominated all night long.

[StarshipTrooper]

Both Klitschkos are a class above all of them IMO, they all get dominated all night long.

Sorry, but the Klits aren't ATG calibre fighters. Vitali is the closest and, like Quarry, a legitimate near-great; but calling Wlad an ATG is insulting to every ATG fighter who's ever lived. Wlad a class above? That's seriously defining "class" down.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

I don't believe in watering down the definition of "great" just to get somebody's current favorite into the club.

Poet

[Canelo Phresh]

I think Quarry would give Wlad huge problems with his counterpunching and infighting skills. He also has the punch to knockdown wlad.

Bonavena and Chuvalo, both solid punchers, would rough up Wlad and fight him on the inside. The point is these guys would give a much better effort then most of the klitschko's opponents

Shavers and Foster would have a decent shot, both being huge punchers. But I certainly think Wlad keeps them both on the end of his jab and keeps them off for the decision.

I give Quarry the best chance, as he his the most well rounded and skilled of the 5. He has the punch, skills, infighting, toughness, and speed to beat Wlad. Wlad would definitely cut Quarry up with jabs and straight rights though, so he better do it early.

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[katsidis]

Sorry, but the Klits aren't ATG calibre fighters. Vitali is the closest and, like Quarry, a legitimate near-great; but calling Wlad an ATG is insulting to every ATG fighter who's ever lived. Wlad a class above? That's seriously defining "class" down.

Poet

Mate that's just my opinion. I think Klitschkos are ATG, with their size, power, reasonable speed, pretty good defence and they have got rid of the mistakes they used to make at the start of their careers, they gotta be a match for any ATG heavyweight.

[StarshipTrooper]

I think Klitschkos are ATG, with their size, power, reasonable speed, pretty good defence and they have got rid of the mistakes they used to make at the start of their careers

There have been plenty of Heavyweights with power, reasonable speed, and pretty good defense.....like Jerry Quarry (a NEAR-great not an ATG).....and Quarry didn't have Wlad's glass jaw and non-existent stamina.

they gotta be a match for any ATG heavyweight.

Gotta be? Where THIS is rule written? Have you even watched much of the greats? Or are you basing this on the fact that the detritus floating in the division these days makes them look better by comparison?

Poet

[katsidis]

There have been plenty of Heavyweights with power, reasonable speed, and pretty good defense.....like Jerry Quarry (a NEAR-great not an ATG).....and Quarry didn't have Wlad's glass jaw and non-existent stamina.




Gotta be? Where THIS is rule written? Have you even watched much of the greats? Or are you basing this on the fact that the detritus floating in the division these days makes them look better by comparison?

Poet

Would Wlad be able to KO Eddie Chambers pretty easily with 4 seconds left in the fight if he had non-existent stamina?

[StarshipTrooper]

Would Wlad be able to KO Eddie Chambers pretty easily with 4 seconds left in the fight if he had non-existent stamina?

Considering he paces himself by throwing 20 punches a round to prevent a repeat of the first Brewster fight.....that kind of punch out-put he can get away with against drek like Chambers and company, not against quality opponents. To put it bluntly, Wlad lets his hands go = Wlad runs out of gas. It's one thing to get away with putting in a minimum offensive effort against low-quality opponents who don't fight back and run up white flags by the mid-way point; it's quite another to try that **** against a live foe who comes to fight: THAT get's your azz beat.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

Would Wlad be able to KO Eddie Chambers pretty easily with 4 seconds left in the fight if he had non-existent stamina?

Would Chambers have even made it that far against Quarry? I think not. He doesn't last that long against a prime Vitali either.

Poet