Top 50 Pound for Pound revisited.

[Tiozzo]

I believe the list has his name on it...

talk about ducking the question

let's put it this way then : what the hell is Marcel Cerdan doing in a (your) top 50 AT P4P ?

[Tiozzo]

here, LaMotta brutalizing Cerdan

[Barn]

You cannot pass judgement on a fighter using 1 fight. Marcel Cerdan is arguably a Top 5 middleweight and a fighter who is mostly brushed aside.

[BigStereotype]

7 titles doesn't count for much when there's 18 weight classes and 3 major titles per class. Henry Armstrong holding 3 belts SIMULTANIOUSLY at a time when there was 8 weight classes and 1 title per weight class is a hell of a lot more impressive.

The greatest southpaw? Last time I checked Pernell Whitaker and Marvin Hagler were southpaws and Pacquiao isn't in their league (neither is Mayweather).

Poet

While it's true that Armstrong's holding of three belts at once was insane at the time, Pacquiao can't really control that. And at every instance except 135, he's gone after "the man" at that weight. Whitaker and Hagler are better than Pacquiao, but I wouldn't say out of his league - Manny Pacquiao can ****ing fight.

[Tiozzo]

You cannot pass judgement on a fighter using 1 fight. Marcel Cerdan is arguably a Top 5 middleweight and a fighter who is mostly brushed aside.

the video was meant to piss you off a bit

as for the rest, hell no, Cerdan is nowhere near the top 5 AT MW

Boxingscene rates him at no. 12, which rank sounds fair to me

[StarshipTrooper]

While it's true that Armstrong's holding of three belts at once was insane at the time, Pacquiao can't really control that. And at every instance except 135, he's gone after "the man" at that weight. Whitaker and Hagler are better than Pacquiao, but I wouldn't say out of his league - Manny Pacquiao can ****ing fight.

I agree Pacquiao is a hell of a fighter and the best p4p in the world right now. I don't blame Manny for his belts, I blame his most rabid fans for bringing it up as something superhuman and unheard of. As for comparisons to whtiaker and Hagler, I'm sorry but I just can't see Manny beating Pernell.....no way. Whitaker is a totally different class of fighter: A top-10 All-Time p4p. Hagler is pretty damn close to that level himself.

Poet

[Barn]

the video was meant to piss you off a bit

as for the rest, hell no, Cerdan is nowhere near the top 5 AT MW

Boxingscene rates him at no. 12, which rank sounds fair to me

Lol, at least your honest.

["The Hitman"]

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Sam Langford
4. Harry Greb
5. Joe Louis
6. Willie Pep
7. Muhammad Ali
8. Benny Leonard
9. Eder Jofre
10. Roberto Duran
11. Bob Fitzsimmons
12. Joe Gans
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Gene Tunney
15. Archie Moore
16. Jimmy Wilde
17. Mickey Walker
18. Stanley Ketchel
19. Pernell Whittaker
20. Tony Canzoneri
21. Julio Cesar Chavez
22. Barney Ross
23. Jack Johnson
24. Jimmy Mclarlin
25. Joe Walcott (og)
26. Sugar Ray Leonard
27. Marvin Hagler
28. Carlos Monzon
29. Sandy Saddler
30. George Foreman
31. Joe Napoles
32. Ted Kid Lewis
33. Marcel Cerdan
34. Salvador Sanchez
35. Ruben Olivares
36. Terry McGovern
37. Alexis Arguello
38. **** Tiger
39. Charley Burley
40. Billy Conn
41. Thomas Hearns
42. Rocky Marciano
43. Larry Holmes
44. Carmen Basillio
45. Ricardo Lopez
46. Sonny Liston
47. Wilfredo Gomez
48. Gene Fullmer
49. Bernard Hopkins
50. Wilfred Benitez

I will call myself and idiot when I view this tomorrow my opinion always changes.

A great list. Obviously everyone has different opinions (JCC top 20, LOL), but overall it's accurate IMO and it's a fantastic thing to do creating such a big list (especiallywith no ****** Mayweather etc bias) and i have a tonne of respect for you.

[MeccaOfBoxing]

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Sam Langford
4. Harry Greb
5. Joe Louis
6. Willie Pep
7. Muhammad Ali
8. Benny Leonard
9. Eder Jofre
10. Roberto Duran
11. Bob Fitzsimmons
12. Joe Gans
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Gene Tunney
15. Archie Moore
16. Jimmy Wilde
17. Mickey Walker
18. Stanley Ketchel
19. Pernell Whittaker
20. Tony Canzoneri
21. Julio Cesar Chavez
22. Barney Ross
23. Jack Johnson
24. Jimmy Mclarlin
25. Joe Walcott (og)
26. Sugar Ray Leonard
27. Marvin Hagler
28. Carlos Monzon
29. Sandy Saddler
30. George Foreman
31. Joe Napoles
32. Ted Kid Lewis
33. Marcel Cerdan
34. Salvador Sanchez
35. Ruben Olivares
36. Terry McGovern
37. Alexis Arguello
38. **** Tiger
39. Charley Burley
40. Billy Conn
41. Thomas Hearns
42. Rocky Marciano
43. Larry Holmes
44. Carmen Basillio
45. Ricardo Lopez
46. Sonny Liston
47. Wilfredo Gomez
48. Gene Fullmer
49. Bernard Hopkins
50. Wilfred Benitez

I will call myself and idiot when I view this tomorrow my opinion always changes.

All opinion I guess. But Jofre over Duran? **** Tiger & Cerdan over Marciano?

["The Hitman"]

All opinion I guess. But Jofre over Duran? **** Tiger & Cerdan over Marciano?

You just said you guess it's all opinion then you question some fighters' position? It is his opinion and everyone could swap some of the fighters in that list around to the order they think but thats one of the main things about opinion everyones is different.