How Great Is Lennox Lewis's Resume?

[musiol]

Lennox's resume is a very good one. He fought in and was the undisputed King in a heavyweight era with probably the biggest collection of punchers....and he beat them all.

He beat Holyfield comfortably when Holyfield was undisputed champion of the world having TKO'd Tyson a couple years earlier. He then beat Holyfield again, for good measure.

It's a shame Bowe ducked him because he would have annihilated Bowe. Superior in every aspect and Bowe knew it from his head to his toe.

So what do you consider McCall and Rahman to be? Bums?

Go ahead and try and sell the idea that Tua was not a big puncher. He has first round knockout wins over Ruiz and Moorer.

If Holyfield was so past it, then how exactly did he manage to beat Tyson twice, while picking up two titles and being ranked the #1 in the division. Please explain that.

You're telling me that Vitali was winning the last couple of rounds, before the fight was stopped? Get out of here. Lewis was landing huge shots on Vitali. He was taking complete control of the fight and would've likely knocked him out.

Aside from that, why do you refuse to acknowledge the fact that Lewis was under-trained and was getting old?

Go ahead and ask anyone who got the better of this exchange, aside from your friend Sonny. Not only did I embarrass you, but you embarrassed yourself.

By the way, here's a tip for the future: to win debates, you actually have to try and debate.

peak holyfield had ****ing hair bowe 1,did holyfield beat a peak tyson NO they where both past their best the version of tyson lewis beat was a joke,if the tyson and holyfield had fought the lewis that fought bruno what would of happend???holyfield and tyson would of kicked the **** out him its all about timing

[JMaster]

peak holyfield had ****ing hair bowe 1,did holyfield beat a peak tyson NO they where both past their best the version of tyson lewis beat was a joke,if the tyson and holyfield had fought the lewis that fought bruno what would of happend???holyfield and tyson would of kicked the **** out him its all about timing

I didn't say it was a prime version of Holyfield or Tyson, but they were both highly ranked.

Holyfield was the #1 in the division when he fought Lewis. Tyson was #2, behind Lewis (champion) and Wladimir (#1).

And don't act like it was a prime version of Lewis that fought Tyson, either. I'm not saying it would be the same result if they were in their primes, but the fact remains that Tyson was a top contender at the time and Lewis beat him.

[musiol]

I didn't say it was a prime version of Holyfield or Tyson, but they were both highly ranked.

Holyfield was the #1 in the division when he fought Lewis. Tyson was #2, behind Lewis (champion) and Wladimir (#1).

And don't act like it was a prime version of Lewis that fought Tyson, either. I'm not saying it would be the same result if they were in their primes, but the fact remains that Tyson was a top contender at the time and Lewis beat him.

tyson was a top contender that come in at what was it 16st10 or suming a ***n a stone over weight and hadnt fought any1 he was puffingf on the beach and partying sorry he beat neilson lol it was his name that got him the fight not his ranking williams and mcbride went on to do a miles better job than lewis on tyson a cant beleive am sticking up for tyson but the fight was a mismatch and lewis beating his chest at the end like he beat king kong is ****ing commical didnt see any of that in holyfield rematch he was ****ting it until he got his fortunate verdict,lewis improved with age its a fackt maybe not as fit but his skills improved he was a good boxer def hall of famer that on his day would give any1 probs good jab big right hand good defense when he was switched still dont like him as you can see lol.

[sonnyboyx2]

So what do you consider McCall and Rahman to be? Bums?

Go ahead and try and sell the idea that Tua was not a big puncher. He has first round knockout wins over Ruiz and Moorer.

If Holyfield was so past it, then how exactly did he manage to beat Tyson twice, while picking up two titles and being ranked the #1 in the division. Please explain that.

You're telling me that Vitali was winning the last couple of rounds, before the fight was stopped? Get out of here. Lewis was landing huge shots on Vitali. He was taking complete control of the fight and would've likely knocked him out.

Aside from that, why do you refuse to acknowledge the fact that Lewis was under-trained and was getting old?

Go ahead and ask anyone who got the better of this exchange, aside from your friend Sonny. Not only did I embarrass you, but you embarrassed yourself.

By the way, here's a tip for the future: to win debates, you actually have to try and debate.

yes Rahman & McCall was both journeymen, Rahman had been poleaxed by Oleg Maskaev getting knocked out of the ring and lying unconscious for minutes yet Maskaev was no great puncher and Maskaev even repeated the feat a couple of years later when past his best, Rahman was floored by Corrie Sanders and his biggest career victory before poleaxing Lewis was a labored points win over 43yr old Trevor Berbick.... McCall was also a mediocre journeyman who had been knocked from pillar-to-post by Buster Douglas and had lost to `drug-abuser`Tony Tucker as well as cruiserweights Orlin Norris & Mike`bounty`Hunter, Frank Bruno had little trouble beating McCall when Bruno was at the tail-end of his career yet McCall only a mediocre journeyman with very limited boxing skills walked right through Lennox Lewis taking less than 4 minutes to wipe Lewis out... Lewis was rightly a huge betting favorite to beat both Rahman & McCall yet was destroyed by both, Lewis was betting favorite to beat both men in rematches yet the McCall rematch was farcical with McCall signing the fight contract in a drug-rehab and only leaving the rehab days before fight night when clearly in no mental or physical condition to be fighting for the heavyweight championship of the world...
David Tua was a big puncher but that does not excuse him being `The fattest man`to ever fight for the title, Tua was reported to be weighing nearly 300lbs when Lewis agreed to fight him and he entered the ring weighing a career highest of 250lbs some 30lbs heavier than he had on his best ever night against John Ruiz..
Holyfield was considered `past-it` in 1996 when he lost to Rid**** Bowe and struggled with Bobby Czyz, his victory over Mike Tyson only proved how far Tyson had also slipped as Holyfield was an 8/1 dog for that fight.. Holyfield boxed a draw with Lewis (i had Lewis the winner) then was clearly "Robbed" by the judges in his rematch with Lewis with most ringside reporters having Holyfield the clear winner.... link below:

[T.McGrady]

IMO lennox is way underrated. He fought everyone,and he beat everyone.

[sonnyboyx2]

tyson was a top contender that come in at what was it 16st10 or suming a ***n a stone over weight and hadnt fought any1 he was puffingf on the beach and partying sorry he beat neilson lol it was his name that got him the fight not his ranking williams and mcbride went on to do a miles better job than lewis on tyson a cant beleive am sticking up for tyson but the fight was a mismatch and lewis beating his chest at the end like he beat king kong is ****ing commical didnt see any of that in holyfield rematch he was ****ting it until he got his fortunate verdict,lewis improved with age its a fackt maybe not as fit but his skills improved he was a good boxer def hall of famer that on his day would give any1 probs good jab big right hand good defense when he was switched still dont like him as you can see lol.

good points and well put

[musiol]

check you out with your pic of lewis jabbing holyfield trying p me aff a just watch rematch and am pist aff LEWIS LOST he also LOST TO MERCER

[JMaster]

yes Rahman & McCall was both journeymen, Rahman had been poleaxed by Oleg Maskaev getting knocked out of the ring and lying unconscious for minutes yet Maskaev was no great puncher and Maskaev even repeated the feat a couple of years later when past his best, Rahman was floored by Corrie Sanders and his biggest career victory before poleaxing Lewis was a labored points win over 43yr old Trevor Berbick.... McCall was also a mediocre journeyman who had been knocked from pillar-to-post by Buster Douglas and had lost to `drug-abuser`Tony Tucker as well as cruiserweights Orlin Norris & Mike`bounty`Hunter, Frank Bruno had little trouble beating McCall when Bruno was at the tail-end of his career yet McCall only a mediocre journeyman with very limited boxing skills walked right through Lennox Lewis taking less than 4 minutes to wipe Lewis out... Lewis was rightly a huge betting favorite to beat both Rahman & McCall yet was destroyed by both, Lewis was betting favorite to beat both men in rematches yet the McCall rematch was farcical with McCall signing the fight contract in a drug-rehab and only leaving the rehab days before fight night when clearly in no mental or physical condition to be fighting for the heavyweight championship of the world...
David Tua was a big puncher but that does not excuse him being `The fattest man`to ever fight for the title, Tua was reported to be weighing nearly 300lbs when Lewis agreed to fight him and he entered the ring weighing a career highest of 250lbs some 30lbs heavier than he had on his best ever night against John Ruiz..
Holyfield was considered `past-it` in 1996 when he lost to Rid**** Bowe and struggled with Bobby Czyz, his victory over Mike Tyson only proved how far Tyson had also slipped as Holyfield was an 8/1 dog for that fight.. Holyfield boxed a draw with Lewis (i had Lewis the winner) then was clearly "Robbed" by the judges in his rematch with Lewis with most ringside reporters having Holyfield the clear winner.... link below:

I'm not gonna argue with you about the little details in McCall and Rahman's career, because there would be no point to it. No one's calling them all-time great heavyweights, but they're certainly good wins. The fact is that they were both champions and Rahman was rated in the top 10. I consider them good wins and so do many others. If you don't, that's fine. Remove them from his record and it's still great.

Tua weighed in around the same in his previous fight and in the fight after Lewis. He also weighed that much when he destroyed Moorer two years later. It wasn't a rare night. He looked and performed just fine.

Also, why didn't you mention the fact that Lewis weighed around 15-20 pounds heavier than when he first became champion? Could it be because you have an obsessive hatred towards him? I think so.

Why do you also refuse ignore the fact that Holyfield was ranked ahead of Lewis and held two world titles? There was no better fighter for Lewis to have fought, other than Holyfield. So go ahead and bash him for fighting the best in the division. It's comical.

The second Lewis-Holyfield fight was close and it could've gone either way. There was no robbery. And, no matter how you scored it, the fact remains that Lewis has a very controversial draw with Holyfield and a close decision win.

This is the only reply I will give you, in this thread. I've seen your other posts regarding Lewis and I already know that this will go nowhere. You're not debating. You're just ranting, while ignoring reality.

[sonnyboyx2]

I'm not gonna argue with you about the little details in McCall and Rahman's career, because there would be no point to it. No one's calling them all-time great heavyweights, but they're certainly good wins. The fact is that they were both champions and Rahman was rated in the top 10. I consider them good wins and so do many others. If you don't, that's fine. Remove them from his record and it's still great.

Tua weighed in around the same in his previous fight and in the fight after Lewis. He also weighed that much when he destroyed Moorer two years later. It wasn't a rare night. He looked and performed just fine.

Also, why didn't you mention the fact that Lewis weighed around 15-20 pounds heavier than when he first became champion? Could it be because you have an obsessive hatred towards him? I think so.

Why do you also refuse ignore the fact that Holyfield was ranked ahead of Lewis and held two world titles? There was no better fighter for Lewis to have fought, other than Holyfield. So go ahead and bash him for fighting the best in the division. It's comical.

The second Lewis-Holyfield fight was close and it could've gone either way. There was no robbery. And, no matter how you scored it, the fact remains that Lewis has a very controversial draw with Holyfield and a close decision win.

This is the only reply I will give you, in this thread. I've seen your other posts regarding Lewis and I already know that this will go nowhere. You're not debating. You're just ranting, while ignoring reality.

The only one ignoring reality is yourself, you are trying to convince people that Lennox Lewis was this mythical destroyer who you have in your head when the truth of the matter is that real boxing fans do not see it the same way as you do and they find your `nuthugging` to be laughable, you need to get real and look at what others have said on this topic and put that in context with your thoughts and opinions... not just dismiss others as haters and liars because the "Truth Hurts you"... you have put up a picture of Lewis knocking out Mike Tyson yet that is meaningless to Lennox Lewis resume because Buster Douglas KOd Tyson some 11yrs before Lewis KOd him, Evander Holyfield KOd Tyson some 6yrs before Lewis did and just to show how far Mike Tyson had slipped by the time he fought Lennox Lewis both Danny Williams & Kevin McBride KOd Tyson not long after Lewis had KOd him, so take a step backwards my friend and read what others are trying to tell you in that Lewis was an `opportunist` who seen fighters on the downside of their career and accepted to fight them but never in his career did he want or agree to fight the top fighters when they was at "The Top of their Game"...You are never going to change peoples opinion round to your opinion because they are old enough to know that what you are saying never in reality happened.

[JMaster]

The only one ignoring reality is yourself, you are trying to convince people that Lennox Lewis was this mythical destroyer who you have in your head when the truth of the matter is that real boxing fans do not see it the same way as you do and they find your `nuthugging` to be laughable, you need to get real and look at what others have said on this topic and put that in context with your thoughts and opinions... not just dismiss others as haters and liars because the "Truth Hurts you"... you have put up a picture of Lewis knocking out Mike Tyson yet that is meaningless to Lennox Lewis resume because Buster Douglas KOd Tyson some 11yrs before Lewis KOd him, Evander Holyfield KOd Tyson some 6yrs before Lewis did and just to show how far Mike Tyson had slipped by the time he fought Lennox Lewis both Danny Williams & Kevin McBride KOd Tyson not long after Lewis had KOd him, so take a step backwards my friend and read what others are trying to tell you in that Lewis was an `opportunist` who seen fighters on the downside of their career and accepted to fight them but never in his career did he want or agree to fight the top fighters when they was at "The Top of their Game"...You are never going to change peoples opinion round to your opinion because they are old enough to know that what you are saying never in reality happened.

The only ones I called haters were Carlos and you, because that's exactly what you guys are.

If someone simply doesn't agree that Lewis is as great as other make them to be, I have no problem with that. But when someone tries to belittle Lewis to such a low extent and discredit everything he did while ignoring facts, then there's a problem.

I mean, how can I take the opinion of someone who said Lewis' resume is a C- seriously? I just can't.

You try and discredit everything he did, in a manner that can be done to any fighter. You could find a way to discredit every one of Ali's wins, as well Louis'. But those who are non-biased don't do that.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I get the idea that my avatar and signature makes you very angry.