Angelo Dundee VS Eddie Futch

[sleazyfellow]

I see Futch i getting the call here but I think they were both great.

Training Ali and Leonard from their pro debut through their prime title years is an accomplishment you just can't overlook.

Dundee was more of a cornerman than a real hands-on trainer.

Tengoshi got it right, you cant compare the two. I don't think Dundee gave much advice, he was just very calm and knew what to say to his fighters, he didnt develop Muhammed Ali or Sugar Rays style.

You can tell when a real trainer gets with a fighter, sometimes the whole style changes.

[gibo]

Eddie Futch is the better trainer... Louis Sarria the greatest Cuban trainer of all times was the real trainer behind Muhammad Ali, Sarria was their from the very start with Ali and was the guy who trained Ali on a daily basis getting Ali to run backwards among many other exercises as well as Ali`s massuer Sarria could speak no English so Angelo Dundee translated, Sarria was the main man behind Sugar Ramos, Louis Rodriguez, Jose Napoles, Ralph Dupas & Willie Pastrano not Angelo Dundee

That's total bull-****, Sarria was a drunk, who gave suggestions here and there, but wasn't taken seriously. Futch should be considered a better trainer that Angie, but don't even try making Angie second to Sarria!!! You statement is NOT TRUE.........

[sonnyboyx2]

That's total bull-****, Sarria was a drunk, who gave suggestions here and there, but wasn't taken seriously. Futch should be considered a better trainer that Angie, but don't even try making Angie second to Sarria!!! You statement is NOT TRUE.........

you obviously know nothing what so ever about Luis Sarria, Kid Tunero, Luis Rodriguez, Sugar Ramos, Jose Legra, Jose Menderos, Ben Buker, Amando Mir, Florentino Fernandez, Willie Pastrano, Jimmy Ellis as Sarria trained them all as Angelo Dundees right-hand man in the 5th street gym in Miami.... just like Eddie Futch was the right-hand man for Ray Arcel and Freddie Roach for Eddie Futch.

go away fool and dont test my patience

[The Beatles]

Dundee was the better conerman and overrall motivator.......

Futch was the better trainer

[prince_marco200]

you obviously know nothing what so ever about Luis Sarria, Kid Tunero, Luis Rodriguez, Sugar Ramos, Jose Legra, Jose Menderos, Ben Buker, Amando Mir, Florentino Fernandez, Willie Pastrano, Jimmy Ellis as Sarria trained them all as Angelo Dundees right-hand man in the 5th street gym in Miami.... just like Eddie Futch was the right-hand man for Ray Arcel and Freddie Roach for Eddie Futch.

go away fool and dont test my patience

How do you know all this? I looked it up on the net and couldn't find anyhing on the topic.

[The Beatles]

How do you know all this? I looked it up on the net and couldn't find anyhing on the topic.

here's a brilliant article on Sarria

[prolific]

Eddie Futch was great at making flawed fighters over achieve. Dundee had two naturally gifted athletes in Ali and Sugar Ray. But he didn't make them better (I don't think). Futch definitely helped his fighters succeed in a fight (obvious example would be Fraziers exagerrated head movement against Ali, because Alii couldn't throw and good uppercut).

[TheGreatA]

Dundee did a great job with Jimmy Ellis though. Ellis was a fringe contender at best as a middleweight but Dundee told him to add 30 pounds to his lanky frame, boosted his confidence and Ellis ended up winning a heavyweight title.

When Ali and Ellis fought, Dundee worked Ellis's corner, probably because he felt Ellis was more "his" fighter than Ali, who would have been great regardless of what trainer he had.

[DeepSleep]

I think Dundee was more of an inspirational coach than a tactician. Futch's lofty amatuer career (Golden Gloves winner in Detroit) would give him quite an edge over Dundee in the finer points of the sweet science.

[DonairesRevenge]

he didnt develop Muhammed Ali or Sugar Rays style.

Same as Futch didn't develop Frazier (he took over training him in 68) and didn't develop Holmes (Richie Giachetti took him to the title). Futch and Dundee are both pretty much hired guns. I'd place them about equal. One thing Dundee has over him though is he had Ali from the very start of his pro career. Ali's craftiness is all down to what he learned at 5th Street.