Ruiz and history

[JAB5239]

I was surprised to see that hardly anybody was glad he was beaten. For years and years, people wanted rid of him like a bad dose of the flu, yet now, there finally seems to be a certain amount of respect for him [maybe deservedly so]. It probably has a lot to do with Haye not being that well liked either.

You have to hand it to Ruiz though, he has shown a lot of determination, and has carved out a good career, even if he hasn't drawn much support.

I think a lot of it had to do with the heart he showed. You can go on and on hating somebody, but when they show that much heart while being that out gunned, you have have some kind of respect. Jmo.

[paul750]

I think a lot of it had to do with the heart he showed. You can go on and on hating somebody, but when they show that much heart while being that out gunned, you have have some kind of respect. Jmo.

Yeah, that seems to happen from time to time. A fighter gets more respect in defeat than he ever did winning.

[Joey Giardello]

No, he's not better than Spoon in my opinion, but he had a better career therefore should rank higher all time. I do believe I would argue he should be ranked higher than Moorer as well, though I'd have to gloss over his career first.

He should not be ranked higher than moorer, double m was the first ever southpaw heavyweight champion beating evander to become the number 1 heavyweight in the world! something john ruiz never was, even when ruiz was champion he was only number 3 or 4 in the world.

[JAB5239]

He should not be ranked higher than moorer, double m was the first ever southpaw heavyweight champion beating evander to become the number 1 heavyweight in the world! something john ruiz never was, even when ruiz was champion he was only number 3 or 4 in the world.

Being the first southpaw champ doesn't mean much to me in the big scheme of things. But I do agree that Moorer beating the true champion is bigger than Ruiz being a titlist. That said I still think Ruiz had a better career at heavy but would have to go over their respective careers to come to a more final conclusion.

[1SILVA]

Being the first southpaw champ doesn't mean much to me in the big scheme of things. But I do agree that Moorer beating the true champion is bigger than Ruiz being a titlist. That said I still think Ruiz had a better career at heavy but would have to go over their respective careers to come to a more final conclusion.

They have two things in common-they both beat and lost to Holyfield and was ko'd in about 30 seconds by Tua

[JAB5239]

They have two things in common-they both beat and lost to Holyfield and was ko'd in about 30 seconds by Tua

Lol, funny but I was thinking about that too.

[Jim Jeffries]

Yeah, that seems to happen from time to time. A fighter gets more respect in defeat than he ever did winning.

Yeah Holyfield was taken more seriously as a HW after the first fight with Bowe, even though he lost.

[JAB5239]

Yeah Holyfield was taken more seriously as a HW after the first fight with Bowe, even though he lost.

Carnera gained respect after Baer and Louis.

[mickey malone]

ATG gatekeeper in my opinion..

I'd say he's around the middle of the pile in a top 100 HW list.. I don't know what he's decided, but he may continue to fight.. If not, I think he'll be remembered as a capapable but one dimensional fighter who was too methodical.. The fight with Haye typified that any good HW with fast accurate hands, would'a had his number.. Haye may not have stopped him in his prime, but would have still outboxed him fairly easily..

[JAB5239]

ATG gatekeeper in my opinion..

I'd say he's around the middle of the pile in a top 100 HW list.. I don't know what he's decided, but he may continue to fight.. If not, I think he'll be remembered as a capapable but one dimensional fighter who was too methodical.. The fight with Haye typified that any good HW with fast accurate hands, would'a had his number.. Haye may not have stopped him in his prime, but would have still outboxed him fairly easily..

How do you think Haye would do against the 2000 Holyfield?