James Toney vs Prime Lennox Lewis

[General Zod]

Well if Stewart was so good for Lewis why did Stewart tell Lewis not to fight Chris Byrd because Byrd would make Lewis look bad and that Lewis would most likely lose a lop-sided decision to Byrd

Manny didnt say that, he said that Lewis fought to the level of his opponents amd he would of looked bad chasing Byrd around the ring. You should read the Lewis bio called Mamas Boy

.... Why did Stewart tell Lewis to drop his belt rather than face John Ruiz saying Ruiz grappling hook style is all wrong for Lewis...

Not true, as I said before it was the crappy guys who Lewis tended to struggle with because he wouldnt of been motivated to fight them, which is why he vacated the WBA belt, you cant really believe than Ruiz would beat Lewis?

Why did Stewart talk Lewis out of fighting a rematch with Vitali Klitschko...

Not true Manny said he was dissapointed that Lewis didnt fight Vitali again

Manny Stewart is responsible for Lennox Lewis being stripped of all three world title belts, WBA for refusing to fight John Ruiz... IBF for refusing to fight Chris Byrd... WBC for refusing to fight Vitali Klitschko.... Stewart got Lewis to avoid all the No1 contenders because they was too dangerous and instead he had Lewis fight Tomato can Michael Grant who had been exposed by Golota as mediocre... Mike Tyson who had 12 weeks to shed 60lbs in weight and was heavily under sedation and also years past his best... Frans Botha a steroid freak who was not ranked in the world Top 50.... David Tua who weighed 255lbs and was the fattest man to ever fight for the title... Hasim Rahman a journeyman who poleaxed Lewis.

So much for your great Emanuel Stewart... the truth is that Lewis avoided the guys who was at the top of their game and chose to instead fight tomato cans and old has-beens

Who did Lewis avoid according to you, please dont say Bowe.

[StarshipTrooper]

I shouldnt of mentioned that, but Lewis did tend to fight to the level of his opposition, he underrated Rahman and got wiped out. If I remember correctly wasnt he busy making films instead of training as well

He had been filming "Ocean-11" I believe.

Poet

[General Zod]

He had been filming "Ocean-11" I believe.

Poet

Thanks for this

[sonnyboyx2]

Who did Lewis avoid according to you, please dont say Bowe.[/QUOTE]

here is a link... you will no doubt claim the guy is telling lies

[sonnyboyx2]

Manny Pacquiao has made 9 feature films and recorded dozens of pop songs... but he does not blame his performances on it...

[General Zod]

here is a link... you will no doubt claim the guy is telling lies

I have posted this on another thread and I going to assume you missed it so I will post it again.

Bowe was not Holyfield's WBC mandatory, Razor Ruddock was, which means that Evander was under no obligation to fight him or offer him a fair deal.

After winning the court case so that he was free to defend his belt against Bowe, the WBC had an elimination bout to decide who would be the no 1 wbc mandatory between Lewis and Ruddock, Lewis won

Lewis was Bowe's WBC mandatory, so he had to cut Lewis a more fair deal like ,60/40.

[General Zod]

Manny Pacquiao has made 9 feature films and recorded dozens of pop songs... but he does not blame his performances on it...

Bad example, all fighters arent the same in how they cope with outside distractions. Also Pac is the first to make up excuses when he doesnt look good the first Morales fight comes to mind.

[Shazam!]

Bad example, all fighters arent the same in how they cope with outside distractions. Also Pac is the first to make up excuses when he doesnt look good the first Morales fight comes to mind.

About the Oceans 11 thing. I wouldn't use that as the sole reason for Lewis losing to Rahman, but it definitely helped towards it.

I watched both fights here in the UK. The first and second Rahman fights that is.

For the first, Lewis didn't just get knocked out by a freak punch. It was coming. He was sluggish for the whole fight and the commentators here on Sky Sports alluded to that fact. It was clear that Lewis had been extremely compacement in preparing for Rahman, who was like a 15 or 20-1 underdog if I remember correctly. This complacency is a definite negative against Lewis. It proved that he was not always 100% prepared for his fights. It's difficult when everyone says you're guaranteed to win. Lewis has so much belief in his ability that I honestly think he thought there was no way even a 70-80% version of himself could lose to Rahman. He was wrong and got what he deserved.

On the contrary, take a look at the second fight and you see a much more focused, well-prepared Lewis. He looks a completely different fighter to the guy who fought Rahman in South Africa. He looks in better shape, much sharper, controlling the fight and knocking Rahman out in the 4th round I believe.

There's no doubt for me that complacency was the main hinderance in Lewis's career. He was not as dedicated a professional as various other fighters we could name e.g. Evander Holyfield who was a smaller guy and always made sure (legally or illegally) that he produced the very best version of himself whenever he stepped in the ring.

[General Zod]

About the Oceans 11 thing. I wouldn't use that as the sole reason for Lewis losing to Rahman, but it definitely helped towards it.

I watched both fights here in the UK. The first and second Rahman fights that is.

For the first, Lewis didn't just get knocked out by a freak punch. It was coming. He was sluggish for the whole fight and the commentators here on Sky Sports alluded to that fact. It was clear that Lewis had been extremely compacement in preparing for Rahman, who was like a 15 or 20-1 underdog if I remember correctly. This complacency is a definite negative against Lewis. It proved that he was not always 100% prepared for his fights. It's difficult when everyone says you're guaranteed to win. Lewis has so much belief in his ability that I honestly think he thought there was no way even a 70-80% version of himself could lose to Rahman. He was wrong and got what he deserved.

On the contrary, take a look at the second fight and you see a much more focused, well-prepared Lewis. He looks a completely different fighter to the guy who fought Rahman in South Africa. He looks in better shape, much sharper, controlling the fight and knocking Rahman out in the 4th round I believe.

There's no doubt for me that complacency was the main hinderance in Lewis's career. He was not as dedicated a professional as various other fighters we could name e.g. Evander Holyfield who was a smaller guy and always made sure (legally or illegally) that he produced the very best version of himself whenever he stepped in the ring.

Excellent post

[Shazam!]

Thanks. I wouldn't wanna be stereotyped as a 'nuthugger' or anything [/sarcasm]