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[mickey malone]

All I say is that wouldas, couldas and shouldas doesn't count. All those fantasy wins Jones might have count for nought.

He didn't fight the guys I mentioned wheter it being because Jones offered an unfair cut or something else, the facts remain that Jones didn't. Hence his resumé is less than stellar since fantasyfights, wouldas and couldas doesn't count when everything is said and done.

I think you've displayed your side of the argument superbly..
It's true, Jones acted like a pop star.. He had Don King in his pocket, making greedy one-sided demands to make a mockery of the whole mandatory system.. The lists you submitted earlier highlights the proof of this perfectly.. In fact, with the exception of the 'money' fight against Calzaghe and the battering of Clinton Woods, Jones never fought any Europeans whatsoever!.. Most of his defenses being in the US against fellow American's and Canadians, most of whom were either washed up or fairly limited to say the least..

No, i'm with you on this one Bat..
Top marks to Paulie too, who's put his point across very well, but Jones is the loser in this debate i'm afraid..

Although, i believe Jones would have destroyed the majority of the guys he priced out of it, two names come to mind when you think of explosiveness.. Nigel Benn and Gerald McClellan.. Both of these guys had all the ingredients needed to upset Jones, and there is no way he avoided them for financial reasons either.. This is echoed by the fact, that he never once fought anyone quite like them.. Well with the exception of Danny Green that is.. Even though Roy's 41 & Green's a poor-mans version of the other 2, it just goes to show you what could'a happened.. Julian Jackson was also hovering about back then, but Roy wanted none of him either..
Sorry, but i have to say that RJJ's resume below 175 does appear to be a triffle padded..

[sonnyboyx2]

I think you've displayed your side of the argument superbly..
It's true, Jones acted like a pop star.. He had Don King in his pocket, making greedy one-sided demands to make a mockery of the whole mandatory system.. The lists you submitted earlier highlights the proof of this perfectly.. In fact, with the exception of the 'money' fight against Calzaghe and the battering of Clinton Woods, Jones never fought any Europeans whatsoever!.. Most of his defenses being in the US against fellow American's and Canadians, most of whom were either washed up or fairly limited to say the least..

No, i'm with you on this one Bat..
Top marks to Paulie too, who's put his point across very well, but Jones is the loser in this debate i'm afraid..

Although, i believe Jones would have destroyed the majority of the guys he priced out of it, two names come to mind when you think of explosiveness.. Nigel Benn and Gerald McClellan.. Both of these guys had all the ingredients needed to upset Jones, and there is no way he avoided them for financial reasons either.. This is echoed by the fact, that he never once fought anyone quite like them.. Well with the exception of Danny Green that is.. Even though Roy's 41 & Green's a poor-mans version of the other 2, it just goes to show you what could'a happened.. Julian Jackson was also hovering about back then, but Roy wanted none of him either..
Sorry, but i have to say that RJJ's resume below 175 does appear to be a triffle padded..

Nigel Benn failed whenever he fought a guy who could box.. Malinga beat him, Michael Watson knocked *** out of him.. IMO Roy Jones wudda destroyed him..

[mickey malone]

Nigel Benn failed whenever he fought a guy who could box.. Malinga beat him, Michael Watson knocked *** out of him.. IMO Roy Jones wudda destroyed him..

We don't know that because styles make fights, and Jones never faced anyone remotely similar imo.. 8 times out of 10, you may well be right, but the Benn who jumped all over Barkley could well have upset Jones, but that's just an opinion.. The point i was making, is below 175, his resume is very questionable..

[sonnyboyx2]

We don't know that because styles make fights, and Jones never faced anyone remotely similar imo.. 8 times out of 10, you may well be right, but the Benn who jumped all over Barkley could well have upset Jones, but that's just an opinion.. The point i was making, is below 175, his resume is very questionable..

Nigel Benn was a very exciting warrior but i just cannot see him beat Roy Jones... Jones was not Iran Barkley.. at 160lbs and from 1992 to 96 Jones was virtually impossible to hit on the chin, he had incredible athletic ability and springs in his legs, those legs aloud him to move in and out as he wanted and to avoid punches to the chin with ease.. any fighter has a chance after 2002 but before then its difficult to make a case for more than 2 or 3 ATGs to have beaten him.

[BattlingNelson]

Nigel Benn was a very exciting warrior but i just cannot see him beat Roy Jones... Jones was not Iran Barkley.. at 160lbs and from 1992 to 96 Jones was virtually impossible to hit on the chin, he had incredible athletic ability and springs in his legs, those legs aloud him to move in and out as he wanted and to avoid punches to the chin with ease.. any fighter has a chance after 2002 but before then its difficult to make a case for more than 2 or 3 ATGs to have beaten him.

^^^^And this post is based on Jones beating the likes of the pazman i presume?

[sonnyboyx2]

^^^^And this post is based on Jones beating the likes of the pazman i presume?

No... its based on Roy Jones performances against guys at 160lbs like Hopkins, Pazienza, Tate, Vaca, Castro, Glen Thomas, Glen Wolfe, Malinga.. 6 world champions, one undefeated contender and another contender with only one defeat...between these fighters they have won 10 world titles

[BattlingNelson]

No... its based on Roy Jones performances against guys at 160lbs like Hopkins, Pazienza, Tate, Vaca, Castro, Glen Thomas, Glen Wolfe, Malinga.. 6 world champions, one undefeated contender and another contender with only one defeat...between these fighters they have won 10 world titles

Which of these, apart from Hopkins, was great MW's?

[General Zod]

Nigel Benn failed whenever he fought a guy who could box.. Malinga beat him, Michael Watson knocked *** out of him.. IMO Roy Jones wudda destroyed him..

Thats not a fiar analysis, he improved after his fight with Watson and he was completely shot against Malinga.

[General Zod]

Bat... you are right & wrong in a way.. Jones was so exceptionally tallented that those opponents you listed was never interested in taking 20% of the purse to fight Roy Jones.. Roy wanted almost all the cash and all the advantages once he won the title from James Toney.. you must agree that none of those fighters ever pushed for a fight with Jones and if they had they was very unlikely to have beaten him.

Alot of those fighters pushed for fights with Jones.
How do you know about the 80/20% split

[General Zod]

bernard hopkins :
reggie johnson
julian jackson
mike mccallum

Whats the story with Bhop and the guys in this list?