The Greatest Latino Fighter of all time?

[latino~heat]

In All...........

im new to this forum..die hard boxing fan...
step pops, fought in 80's and under one of Durans undercard..
1st let me say this...todays fighters in no way can compare to ol'school fighters..yes there some good ones, but not the caliber of old ones...Boxing has change, I mean look at the heavyweight, it SUCKS!money took the best of things from greedy promoters to greedy fighters...one person I can compare to Duran is Gatti..not that he is the best~ but shows more heart than anyone ive seen. todays age fighters would be a barrera, morales, mayweather, trinidad..and on...but since boxing has changed, its hard to say who is the best, pound for pound!

[rudy]

please show me the film of Harry Greb and explain why you think he is the Greatest why because you saw the film in black and white. I have seen Jack Johnnson clips to understand the guy is a great fighter please I am now begging to understand how u think Harry Greb is great.

Too many like to rave about old time fighters so educate me please. Roy Jones was not at middleweight long enough for greatness.

So once again without no swearing WHY IS HARRY GREB GREAT ?

[rudy]

Oh I see u have Bob Fitzsimons the racist wanker who was not that good. You need to remember some of these guys got their name for just stepping in the ring. Fitsimons was not great

[J !]

HANG ON WITH NO SWEARING WASNT IT YOU THAT CALLED ME NAMES?


as for greb workrate, quality of opponent and durability which was legendary. He fought 40 odd times a year in some years against the top contenders and was the only man to beat Gene Tunney that do you for now ?

fitzsimmons wasnt that good are you having a larf.

you need to go do some research mate come back and talk to me when you have son.

[Yogi]

How the Hell can Greb be Top he you have not seen any films of him and plus he never threw a left hook.

Where have you heard that Greb "never threw a left hook"? Are you serious, man?

I was just reading the 'New York Times' description of the first Greb/Tunney fight (a day after, round-by-round report), and the second line in their fight writeup is this (describing the very first round);

"Greb landed a left hook on the nose which drew blood."

That's only the second sentence in that fight description, man. There's also a lot more left hooks from Greb that are described as landing in that fight, and also other fights of Harry Greb.

[rudy]

ok I will do some research on Greb as for Fitzsimon I have seen footage of him and I honestly beleive he would have had trouble with even Henry Cooper let alone any other heavyweight as for Greb still don't rate I am still curious to see the footage of him.

give me links about Greb to read upon I will do my research but I remember this from reading the ring ****zine many years ago. But since your talking have u boxed, have u every written an article and spoken to fighters. When u do come back to me. I am honest to enought to admit I might have been wrong about the left hooks but will check

[Yogi]

ok I will do some research on Greb as for Fitzsimon I have seen footage of him and I honestly beleive he would have had trouble with even Henry Cooper let alone any other heavyweight as for Greb still don't rate I am still curious to see the footage of him.

give me links about Greb to read upon I will do my research but I remember this from reading the ring ****zine many years ago. But since your talking have u boxed, have u every written an article and spoken to fighters. When u do come back to me. I am honest to enought to admit I might have been wrong about the left hooks but will check

There's a starting point for you and your Greb research, Rudy. The fight description that I described is on that site, as well as other fight descriptions of Harry Greb.

Check it out!

P.S. You don't need to be a boxer (which I was when I was much younger) to know how to read the words, "left hook". All you really need is about a grade one level education, don't you think?

[IwatchBoxing]

when basillo fought there was one belt he was fighting legends everytime he stepped in the ring. Tito could pick and choose theres no comparsion one belt or four titles, youve made your pick.

Now get back to licking titos ball bag you bore me.

No talent got by Trinidad, he fought everyone, Basillo fought in a time where records where fluffed.
Lost to Connie Thies 5-0-2, Johnny Cunningham 3-13-3 , Mike Koballa 9-5-2. His record was 56-16, 7 draws. He lost 1/3rd of his fights.

[J !]

look chaps the problem with these lists is people will cherry pick, this is just my opinion we are talking about that was asked for and im glad provoked some lively deabate, we are talking when he (carmen)was a welterweight here (and rudy talking about fitzimmons as a middle not a heavy please stick to at least the weight we were discussing the lists based on when ranking them. I never said i had Fitz in my top ten heavies did I!?).

As for basillo at welter weight look who he fought, not the losses at the beginning and the end of his career, the legends he went in the ring with in some cases overcame.

ike williams, billy graham, kid gavalian (ok he lost but was split decision)Tony demarco, Johnny Saxton HE EVEN BEAT SUGAR RAY AT MIDDLE and you are denying the blokes a great come on man, are you mad.

The fact is these guys had one belt to fight for, and they fought on a bi-weekly basis if you fight that often of course there are going to be injuries and strains that get overlooked and may account for some losses. Merely looking at his record in box rec does not constitute research chaps.

modern fighters are massivly protected in this regard compared to the olden guys.

There is an argument for example that a chap called Bert Gilroy should be ranked in an all time top ten middelweight list, he had many opportunites robbed byt the war and Jocxk Mcavoy avoided him like the plague so he never got the shot he deserved, this guy took on all comers and was unbeaten for six years at one point, he just never got his shot.

No offence I watch, but you really do need to emerge from the shadow of Tito ball bag and get yourself some books on the old booths and the way boxing was in its golden era.

Rudy I never boxed but did do karate to a deent level though I packed up some time ago, have fought in competitions and so know what it is to train and go into a fight situation.

and i write for this lot so i do read up on all this stuff. Its always good to have lively debate though and some stuff people say takes time to sink inm but you should never close your mind as there is so much you dont know even when you think you do.

[J !]

No talent got by Trinidad, he fought everyone, Basillo fought in a time where records where fluffed.
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are you sane? i think that comment displays your ignorance.

im interested to hear how when there was onoly one championship belt they fought a lower grade of opposition than now when there are 4 main and dozens of minor orgs, and thats before we even get into the fact that there only 9 weight diviions not 17 like now.


you really are talking crap mate sorry but...theres no other way to put it.