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name fighters who have put on over 30lbs during their career
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frenchman georges carpentier started as a 14 year old flyweight won the lightheavyweight title & fought for the heavyweight title vs jack dempsey.
jimmy mclarnin turned pro at 126, won the welterweight championship.
bob fitzsimons won middleweight, lightheavy, & heavyweight.
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Butterbean went from 280 to 417 lbs.
James Toney went from 157 to 237 and Michael Moorer from 171 to 251 and Saul Montana from 168 to 251.
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Originally posted by sonnyboyx2 View PostLots of very good replys all which are interesting to read, i agree that RJj & Holyfield may have taken steroids, RJj tested positive after the Richard Hall fight and Holyfield was keeping company with steroid abusers, however the other great fighters mentioned i am of the opinion their skill level got them to the top the same i believe got Pacquiao to where he is today... i have always believed and still do that size is imaterial, its speed and skill that count, Pacquiao is not over-powering his opponents with brute strength, it is his speed and boxing skills that are winning him these fights, Hatton, Oscar & Cotto was all beaten by a guy with amazing boxing skills, IMO if Pacquao had weighed 135lb on the nights he fought those 3 fighters he would have won in quicker time
I completely agree. It seems alot of his accusers are just looking at boxingrec and eyeing the weight numbers, then just automatically assume roids. If they have watched the fights and keep an eye on his weight, theyll know Manny was the only around 8lbs heavier stopping DLH, compared to TKO'ing Morales.
The manner in which he wins his fights isnt from roid power, rather from gameplanning and timing. With ODLH he was leading in with his left in between ODLH gaurds timing it perfectly, this completely threw ODLH off gaurd. With Hatton, ricky was just dumb. Roach mentioned Ricky would always wince before throwing out a jab, Manny countered with perfectly timed right hooks, then later a straight Left bomb. With Cotto, it was the margarito esque uppercuts where Cotto always leaves himself open when trying to counter . These guys were getting hit when they least expected it, all part of gameplans and not like brute strength overcoming their gaurds.
There was strategy and planning involved in his wins, yet some idiots just decide its easier to claim roids, with no shred of proof behind their accusations other than, "he's on something, I just know"
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Carpentier would be the best example I can think of, went up many a weight class and always looked fit, even at heavyweight against Dempsey, he was a bit smaller but not dwarfed by Dempsey and looked natural.
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Originally posted by BattlingNelson View PostButterbean went from 280 to 417 lbs.
James Toney went from 157 to 237 and Michael Moorer from 171 to 251 and Saul Montana from 168 to 251.Last edited by BennyST; 12-30-2009, 01:42 AM.
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Originally posted by TheGreatA View PostDingaan Thobela? Started fighting as a featherweight and ended up as a light heavyweight.
I didn't think he started that low. That's hugely impressive.
Well, there you go fellas. That's a pretty damn good one right there. Started at 126 and won major titles as high as 168 as well as fighting at 175. 50 pounds is pretty damn good.
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