Hagler vs. Leonard!!

[Marcov]

I watched again last night and though I know punch stats don't have anything to do with scoring, both fighters landed a simular number of punches. If they landed close to the same number, Hagler landed the harder punches and was the aggressor. Did Ray get the call on ring generalship?

[BennyST]

Well we pretty much know who you don't like, how about you tell us what fighters you do like? It is much harder to paint a picture than put your foot through one. You just seem to me to be a very negative person who takes pleasure in villyfying fighters based on little evidence and insulting posters. You don't contribute much to these forums apart from a dark cloud, it is a pity as I believe you are an intelligant knowledgable poster if you chose to contribute rather than just want to irritate.

Yeah. It seems to be a sad thing here of late G. Quite a few posters that obviously have brains but choose to use them to be horribly negative against the sport they supposedly love and other fans who are just trying to discuss it.

Oh well, some people are just full of bitterness and hate in general. What can you do?

[GJC]

Yeah. It seems to be a sad thing here of late G. Quite a few posters that obviously have brains but choose to use them to be horribly negative against the sport they supposedly love and other fans who are just trying to discuss it.

Oh well, some people are just full of bitterness and hate in general. What can you do?

I have never seen him or Slimey make a stand alone positive post for a fighter.
Guys like ***** and Sonnyboy have criticised some fighters as is their right but to balance that they have praised others.
This pair to my knowledge have ever praised a fighter or poster on here.

[JAB5239]

I have never seen him or Slimey make a stand alone positive post for a fighter.
Guys like ***** and Sonnyboy have criticised some fighters as is their right but to balance that they have praised others.
This pair to my knowledge have ever praised a fighter or poster on here.

Agree or disagree ***** and Sonny come to talk boxing. The other two consistently flame. Its not about who's right, but how you present your case. I have no problem disagreeing with someone. I got no problem with being wrong. I do have a problem with people with an obvious agenda to start trouble trying to shovel bullshit.

[GameGod]

My decision goes to Leonard, but with 3 judges it seems reasonable for a split decision or even majority or split draw.

[HaglerSteelChin]

Well we pretty much know who you don't like, how about you tell us what fighters you do like? It is much harder to paint a picture than put your foot through one. You just seem to me to be a very negative person who takes pleasure in villyfying fighters based on little evidence and insulting posters. You don't contribute much to these forums apart from a dark cloud, it is a pity as I believe you are an intelligant knowledgable poster if you chose to contribute rather than just want to irritate.

you know i just to look at the troll's posts, he contributes nothing to this board. For example, he thinks the ONE lost by PW to Quintana is a major lost by PW and his weakness as a fighter is exploited. All PW did was to destroy Quintana in 1 RD in the rematch. He had a close win against Martinez, but he decided to fight instead of box to impress people and entertain. Pavlik did duck PW.......that is a fact especially by missing doctor appointments.

Donnakim likes to go off on PW fans because he has nothing better to do- yet he talks about other people needing to shut down their PC, LOL.

[boxing fanatic]

leonard/hagler

this is one that will always be debated but I thought leonard won the fight by stealing rounds shame there was not a rematch and if the fight happens 5years earlier hagler dominates.

[donkim]

you know i just to look at the troll's posts, he contributes nothing to this board. For example, he thinks the ONE lost by PW to Quintana is a major lost by PW and his weakness as a fighter is exploited. All PW did was to destroy Quintana in 1 RD in the rematch. He had a close win against Martinez, but he decided to fight instead of box to impress people and entertain. Pavlik did duck PW.......that is a fact especially by missing doctor appointments.

Donnakim likes to go off on PW fans because he has nothing better to do- yet he talks about other people needing to shut down their PC, LOL.

Quintana didn't just beat Williams,he exposed him badly.I gave Williams two rounds and nothing else.


If you're foolish enough to believe that Quintana didn't exposed Williams after they fought for twelve rounds,then you're being ridiculous.


Williams didn't decide to fight Martinez to entertain the crowd,he fought the same fight that he always does and again was exposed against a guy who is a much better boxer than him.

Williams can't box and has obvious flaws and when you don't give a stationary target like Quintana and Martinez didn't give him,then he will struggle and struggle badly.



Williams ducked Pavlik last year when he turned down a million dollars,as confirmed by good old Larry Merchant himself.

if the fight happens 5years earlier hagler dominates.

Based on what? Hagler never dominated Mexican journeyman Marcos Geraldo,who employed the same strategy against Hagler that Leonard would later duplicate.




Unless you were a face first brawler like a Hamsho or Antufermo,then Hagler doesn't destroy anybody.

[Suckmedry]

Donkim, you contribute nothing here, please just get off the site.

Come to think of it, I have never actually heard you give any fighter praise.

[HaglerSteelChin]

Quintana didn't just beat Williams,he exposed him badly.I gave Williams two rounds and nothing else.


If you're foolish enough to believe that Quintana didn't exposed Williams after they fought for twelve rounds,then you're being ridiculous.


Williams didn't decide to fight Martinez to entertain the crowd,he fought the same fight that he always does and again was exposed against a guy who is a much better boxer than him.

Williams can't box and has obvious flaws and when you don't give a stationary target like Quintana and Martinez didn't give him,then he will struggle and struggle badly.



Williams ducked Pavlik last year when he turned down a million dollars,as confirmed by good old Larry Merchant himself.

If Quintana badly exposed PW, why didnt he lose again? Why did Quintana have his rear end handed to him in the 1 Rd rematch? Styles makes fights. I said before the PW vs Martinez fight that it would be close. PW didnt use his reach and decided to slug it out instead of box. Why? PW is trying to win fans over and get big deals. If he wins a one sided fight like he did with Winky Wright the master boxer who PW destroyed; than he will have more people ducking him. PW is still 38-1 and avenged his only lost. I know Donna kin scored it 118-110, but I had it 115-113 which was closer to what the judges had it.

If he has been so much exposed as you state why isn't Mayweather calling him for a fight? PW also beat Margarito with his loaded gloves and shut out winky. He didnt have alot of time to prepare for Martinez and yet beat a top boxer.

Pavlik delayed the fight with PW on 2 occassions. What was PW going to do? Wait another month? He is a fighter and went to the ring. Pavlik only fought when he was going to get stripped of his title. Kelly made the staph infection an excuse yet he MISSED doctor appointments, that shows how motivated he was to fight PW. You state you are an expert in boxing. Haven't fighters fought with cut eyes, injured hands, and even Harry Greb fought while being blind in one eye? Yet a troll as yourself still will find reasons to make excuses for Pavlik and trivial reasons to knock PW. Pavlik is too slow for PW, BHOP at 43 took him to school. You don't think they studied the film? Pavlik is one of those morons who believes in the triangle theory. Since he beat Taylor and Taylor beat BHOP twice- than it = me beating BHOP.