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    #11
    They said that people noticed it in other Liston fights where his opponents would just go blind out of nowhere

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      #12
      Originally posted by larry x View Post
      is the story of him cheating in the first fight fact or fiction??if true what did he use and why wasnt he suspended or fined??
      your thread title completely threw me off

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        #13
        Originally posted by GJC View Post
        There was at least one of Liston's old opponents who came forward and said he also got something in his eyes whilst fighting Liston, his name will come to me unless someone can help. As you say no real hard proof either way though Clay certainly was effected by something in that round.
        I believe Cleveland Williams and possibly someone else made these same allegations.

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          #14
          To me Liston using the same trick against other opponents is pretty much a myth. The fights against Machen and Williams, in which Bert Sugar claimed Liston blinded his opponents, are both on film. No sign of Machen and Williams going blind in any of the rounds.

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            #15
            i was watching rocky marciano documentary and his brother said walcott did the same thing to rocky so he couldnt see in the middle rounds.......i personally dont believe it his brother seems like a liar.......

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              #16
              Originally posted by billionaire View Post
              i was watching rocky marciano documentary and his brother said walcott did the same thing to rocky so he couldnt see in the middle rounds.......i personally dont believe it his brother seems like a liar.......
              Both men were cut and the substance that was used went into Marciano's eye.

              I've never heard anyone else other than Rocky's brother say Walcott did it deliberately. Certainly Rocky himself never claimed that, the man was all class.

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                #17
                Originally posted by TheGreatA View Post
                Both men were cut and the substance that was used went into Marciano's eye.

                I've never heard anyone else other than Rocky's brother say Walcott did it deliberately. Certainly Rocky himself never claimed that, the man was all class.
                no he didnt say it was done on purpose, they just didnt say it fully in the movie so that explains that....

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