What we believe and what is true regarding fighters and fights.

[QueensburyRules]

I know I'll catch a lot of heat for this, be put on ignore by many, and possibly banned, but here it goes.

Pacquiao v Bradley 1 was not the robbery that so many argued it was.

There, I said it, its out there. I accept all the insults and torment coming my way. But here were my thoughts:

I remember watching it live in a bar, and most everyone around me was certain Pac was gonna get a clear decision when the final bell rang. I told people they had to remember its scored round by round, and for many rounds Pac would be silent for most of the time, only throwing a flurry near the end. That Bradley's overall work throughout given rounds could be enough to carry them. Rewatched it several times and still feel the same way.

- - Bradley was in a wheelchair post Presser. Manny punched him so hard he separated Bradley's ligaments.

[DeeMoney]

- - Bradley was in a wheelchair post Presser. Manny punched him so hard he separated Bradley's ligaments.

But did he do so every round? Manny certainly won his share of rounds, and did so violently. But for a lot of the fight, and in many rounds, he took a lot of time off and allowed Bradley to just outwork him

[billeau2]

- - Bradley was in a wheelchair post Presser. Manny punched him so hard he separated Bradley's ligaments.

And unlike Joshua, Bradley hung in there and apparently won some rounds. I do not know if one can separate ligaments.. Tendons yes... But certainly Manny should get credit in the scoring for damage. That is alas one aspect of scoring among others. I have not watched the fight but shall. In any case with my inability to score fights I would never question someone who scores a fight carefully and comes up with a conclusion.

I always hope scoring reflects reality. That the fight I see shows up scored the way it looks.

[billeau2]

But did he do so every round? Manny certainly won his share of rounds, and did so violently. But for a lot of the fight, and in many rounds, he took a lot of time off and allowed Bradley to just outwork him

Oscar has been accused of doing this against Trinidad, and also on the regular! So much so he was often referred to as a 6 round fighter. A real shame really... It may have made the difference in the Mayweather fight, along with Tito.

[DeeMoney]

Oscar has been accused of doing this against Trinidad, and also on the regular! So much so he was often referred to as a 6 round fighter. A real shame really... It may have made the difference in the Mayweather fight, along with Tito.

Yeah, I remember that being the case with the Tito fight. Man, remember that fight like yesterday, has it really been over 25 years?!?!

[QueensburyRules]

But did he do so every round? Manny certainly won his share of rounds, and did so violently. But for a lot of the fight, and in many rounds, he took a lot of time off and allowed Bradley to just outwork him

- - Bradley is certainly a well trained fast handed physical specimen, but he's an arm puncher whereas Manny was able to physically hurt him.

Keep in mind that Arum desperately wanted the l'l floydy fight for Manny and basically sugared the pot for l'l to finally step into the ring.

[tyler87432f]

And unlike Joshua, Bradley hung in there and apparently won some rounds. I do not know if one can separate ligaments.. Tendons yes... But certainly Manny should get credit in the scoring for damage. That is alas one aspect of scoring among others. I have not watched the fight but shall. In any case with my inability to score fights I would never question someone who scores a fight carefully and comes up with a conclusion.

I always hope scoring reflects reality. That the fight I see shows up scored the way it looks .

Yes i follow this

[DeeMoney]

- - Bradley is certainly a well trained fast handed physical specimen, but he's an arm puncher whereas Manny was able to physically hurt him.

Keep in mind that Arum desperately wanted the l'l floydy fight for Manny and basically sugared the pot for l'l to finally step into the ring.

Yeah, that definitely fit the bill for some of the rounds in this fight. There were rounds where Bradley out worked Pac for long stretches, but may have not caused much damage, only to see Manny come back and land one or two great shots. Thats why I can accept if someone scores it for Pac (but even then it would be close and not a robbery).
That being written, there were rounds where Manny landed a good shot or two but Bradley outworked him AND caused damage along the way.

[billeau2]

- - Bradley is certainly a well trained fast handed physical specimen, but he's an arm puncher whereas Manny was able to physically hurt him.

Keep in mind that Arum desperately wanted the l'l floydy fight for Manny and basically sugared the pot for l'l to finally step into the ring.

Bradley certainly was an arm puncher. Unfortunately sometimes damage is not calculated enough in the scoring of a professional fight.

[Willie Pep 229]

Bradley certainly was an arm puncher. Unfortunately sometimes damage is not calculated enough in the scoring of a professional fight.

And well it should not. It's a prize fight not a boxing match. Punching your opponent only gets half the job done. You have to hurt him to beat him.