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    When a fighter moves up in weight

    If most of the time a fighter moves up in weight is because they cannot make weight any longer or are on the comeback, this is a sign they are simply not in shape. Which means the size is not the only factor at play.

    What about smaller fighters that took on bigger fighters with intention, like Armstrong, Pacquiao, Greb and Roy Jones. These are good examples of smaller fighters beating larger fighters because they took it serious and were in good shape mentally and physically.

    we need to question typical things that have been parroted for years without thought. Some of it makes no sense at all. Boxing is a striking sport, and I find it hard to believe that only in the modern eras all of a sudden weight matters so much - and it was only back in the day that a smaller fighter had a chance vs a larger one. Meanwhile you can see with your own eyes the smaller fighter is not brawling or going blow for blow and is actually fighting smart!

    It happens from time to time. Pacquiao vs Margarito for example, displayed a huge size difference. Pacquiao used speed and movement to overwhelm Margarito. Both were cut to the bone but Marg was at least 20 lbs heavier of pure bone and muscle.

    all these Weight classes did not come about purely for safety reasons. on the lower levels of club fights it was probably dangerous. Where a smaller man needed money and would take on some brute of a heavyweight because he needed money. However there was not nearly as many weight classes because it was not that important. Sure it matters because a featherweight taking on a heavyweight doesn't look right - but for the most part people didn't care and judged the fighter based on his heart.

    All these weight classes are purely for titles and titles make money. 5 lbs does not matter, even 15 lbs doesn't matter.


    #2
    The fairest way to match people in boxing is by weight. Height, wrist size, muscle index, hair color et al are less fair. So to fight above one's natural weight successfully indeed is to prove oneself and ascend by the strongest standard. That is always a significant achievement. But I do not demand it of a fighter and will not hold it against his personal ATG ranking if he chooses to defend rather than venture higher.

    ********

    Adding more divisions fertilizes cross-divisional matchups, making it harder for a champ to "stay home." Make travel easier and they will travel more. That is not a bad thing either. Pacquiao could not have claimed 8 divisional titles under the old system all the way from flyweight to heavyweight.



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      #3
      Originally posted by them_apples View Post
      If most of the time a fighter moves up in weight is because they cannot make weight any longer or are on the comeback, this is a sign they are simply not in shape. Which means the size is not the only factor at play.

      What about smaller fighters that took on bigger fighters with intention, like Armstrong, Pacquiao, Greb and Roy Jones. These are good examples of smaller fighters beating larger fighters because they took it serious and were in good shape mentally and physically.

      we need to question typical things that have been parroted for years without thought. Some of it makes no sense at all. Boxing is a striking sport, and I find it hard to believe that only in the modern eras all of a sudden weight matters so much - and it was only back in the day that a smaller fighter had a chance vs a larger one. Meanwhile you can see with your own eyes the smaller fighter is not brawling or going blow for blow and is actually fighting smart!

      It happens from time to time. Pacquiao vs Margarito for example, displayed a huge size difference. Pacquiao used speed and movement to overwhelm Margarito. Both were cut to the bone but Marg was at least 20 lbs heavier of pure bone and muscle.

      all these Weight classes did not come about purely for safety reasons. on the lower levels of club fights it was probably dangerous. Where a smaller man needed money and would take on some brute of a heavyweight because he needed money. However there was not nearly as many weight classes because it was not that important. Sure it matters because a featherweight taking on a heavyweight doesn't look right - but for the most part people didn't care and judged the fighter based on his heart.

      All these weight classes are purely for titles and titles make money. 5 lbs does not matter, even 15 lbs doesn't matter.
      Margarito weighed in the day before at five and a half pounds heavier

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        #4
        Originally posted by them_apples View Post
        If most of the time a fighter moves up in weight is because they cannot make weight any longer or are on the comeback, this is a sign they are simply not in shape. Which means the size is not the only factor at play.

        What about smaller fighters that took on bigger fighters with intention, like Armstrong, Pacquiao, Greb and Roy Jones. These are good examples of smaller fighters beating larger fighters because they took it serious and were in good shape mentally and physically.

        we need to question typical things that have been parroted for years without thought. Some of it makes no sense at all. Boxing is a striking sport, and I find it hard to believe that only in the modern eras all of a sudden weight matters so much - and it was only back in the day that a smaller fighter had a chance vs a larger one. Meanwhile you can see with your own eyes the smaller fighter is not brawling or going blow for blow and is actually fighting smart!

        It happens from time to time. Pacquiao vs Margarito for example, displayed a huge size difference. Pacquiao used speed and movement to overwhelm Margarito. Both were cut to the bone but Marg was at least 20 lbs heavier of pure bone and muscle.

        all these Weight classes did not come about purely for safety reasons. on the lower levels of club fights it was probably dangerous. Where a smaller man needed money and would take on some brute of a heavyweight because he needed money. However there was not nearly as many weight classes because it was not that important. Sure it matters because a featherweight taking on a heavyweight doesn't look right - but for the most part people didn't care and judged the fighter based on his heart.

        All these weight classes are purely for titles and titles make money. 5 lbs does not matter, even 15 lbs doesn't matter.
        Fifteen pounds between lighter weights does not matter?
        Its still Xmas Day here,so I won't be too brutal, I'll just say,you are talking nonsense!
        Last edited by Bronson66; 12-26-2024, 06:04 AM.

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          #5
          Just because size isn't always the determining factor in the outcome doesn't mean size doesn't matter.

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            #6
            Originally posted by famicommander View Post
            Just because size isn't always the determining factor in the outcome doesn't mean size doesn't matter.
            Exactly, its one factor among many. This opinion is not reflected on this forum by many. Size is one small factor.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Bronson66 View Post

              Margarito weighed in the day before at five and a half pounds heavier
              He was 165 lbs on fight night. Pacquiao was 148 if I recall correctly.

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                #8
                Originally posted by famicommander View Post
                Just because size isn't always the determining factor in the outcome doesn't mean size doesn't matter.
                - - Exactly, the reason boxing has evolved weight divisions for over 100 years now, to unevolved anthropoids weights means nothing.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

                  - - Exactly, the reason boxing has evolved weight divisions for over 100 years now, to unevolved anthropoids weights means nothing.
                  It doesn’t mean nothing. It doesn’t determine the outcome of a fight though

                  and on this forum its always the weight and size

                  nobody seems to notice the billions of information available to counter this argument. It happens every year.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by them_apples View Post

                    It doesnâÂÂt mean nothing. It doesnâÂÂt determine the outcome of a fight though

                    and on this forum its always the weight and size

                    nobody seems to notice the billions of information available to counter this argument. It happens every year.
                    - - What, U no quote all the Billions of info for us?

                    Weight classes exist for a reason, though with modern expansion, those reasons of fair size matchups by weight have been expanded by extra title belts yielding more title fights and mo'$$$. Hence Manny being King with 8 division titles not to mention substantially most holding all the Ring p4p records that count for anything, a dominance such that he is basically his own top 10 with the next best being in the 11-20 rankings...yer welcome as always!!!

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