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    I hope that the Usyk - Fury II winner doesn't retire as undefeated champion.

    ...Not because I don't like them. Usyk, whom I believe should again outpoint the Gypsy King; He's a great boxer, consummate professional and a fantastic personality.
    It's because casual fans are MUCH too easily confused about meaning of what is often described as the "oldest, richest and more international title in sports".

    Before Usyk-Fury I unified the belts (for a few weeks), even people who frequent this board were unclear about why the linial heavyweight title is the only real title!

    If you can learn only one thing about boxing, it should be that the championship officially began when Onomastus of Smyrna, when he won the title in 688 B.C., and that the modern day's era continued with American John L. Sullivan's winning that title, and reigning from February 7, 1882, to September 7, 1892; where he won the title under Bareknuckle London prize ring rules and lost it using gloved, Marques of Queensbury rules.
    2,712 years, same sport, same title.

    Since Sullivan's time, the title had to be re-engaged just three times using the top active contenders in a box-off, when the reigning champ retired and never came back again. This occured when Gene Tunney retired July 28, 1928, and again when Rocky Marciano retired April 27, 1956, and finally, when Lennox Lewis retired February 6, 2004.

    On those occasions, the press and the public saw no issue with how the line was reconnected, and the history was clear. But in very recent years, the collection of for-profit companies who sell title belts to promoters have gained the attention of the boxing writers and bloggers; very few of whom are proper historians of the sport; lending an opportunity to the sanctioning bodies to legitimize their personal claims about the value of their product, by hoodwinking the fans.

    Therefore, should Oleksandr Usyk or Tyson Fury retire permanently while holding the title, a drawn-out process will surely follow, with self interested promoters, sanctioning bodies and even media outlets seeking to legitimize themselves and increase their profits, even if that means confounding the fanbase about the history of a sport that is largely tolerated by civilized society only because of it's rich, multicultural history.

    Just my thoughts.
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    Originally posted by Willow The Wisp View Post
    ...Not because I don't like them. Usyk, whom I believe should again outpoint the Gypsy King; He's a great boxer, consummate professional and a fantastic personality.
    It's because casual fans are MUCH too easily confused about meaning of what is often described as the "oldest, richest and more international title in sports".

    Before Usyk-Fury I unified the belts (for a few weeks), even people who frequent this board were unclear about why the linial heavyweight title is the only real title!

    If you can learn only one thing about boxing, it should be that the championship officially began when Onomastus of Smyrna, when he won the title in 688 B.C., and that the modern day's era continued with American John L. Sullivan's winning that title, and reigning from February 7, 1882, to September 7, 1892; where he won the title under Bareknuckle London prize ring rules and lost it using gloved, Marques of Queensbury rules.
    2,712 years, same sport, same title.

    Since Sullivan's time, the title had to be re-engaged just three times using the top active contenders in a box-off, when the reigning champ retired and never came back again. This occured when Gene Tunney retired July 28, 1928, and again when Rocky Marciano retired April 27, 1956, and finally, when Lennox Lewis retired February 6, 2004.

    On those occasions, the press and the public saw no issue with how the line was reconnected, and the history was clear. But in very recent years, the collection of for-profit companies who sell title belts to promoters have gained the attention of the boxing writers and bloggers; very few of whom are proper historians of the sport; lending an opportunity to the sanctioning bodies to legitimize their personal claims about the value of their product, by hoodwinking the fans.

    Therefore, should Oleksandr Usyk or Tyson Fury retire permanently while holding the title, a drawn-out process will surely follow, with self interested promoters, sanctioning bodies and even media outlets seeking to legitimize themselves and increase their profits, even if that means confounding the fanbase about the history of a sport that is largely tolerated by civilized society only because of it's rich, multicultural history.

    Just my thoughts.

    I agree. I think if Fury should win then they will need to judge the way they feel. I think as a fan I want to see Fury fight more but not get hurt.
    I think Fury can win if he goes about it like he did in wilder 2. Really take him seriously and be prepared. Fury often gets to know a fighter after one bout and then knows what to do in the second. I think he will win if he really takes it seriously and gets that edge.
    But I wouldn't want him to go on too long. He must know when he feels that way and when he still has it in him. Fury comes from a long line of fighters and you can't beat that fight in the man. That is my opinion.
    Last edited by max baer; 09-24-2024, 01:33 PM.
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      #3
      Originally posted by max baer View Post


      I agree. I think if Fury should win then they will need to judge the way they feel. I think as a fan I want to see Fury fight more but not get hurt.
      I think Fury can win if he goes about it like he did in wilder 2. Really take him seriously and be prepared. Fury often gets to know a fighter after one bout and then knows what to do in the second. I think he will win if he really takes it seriously and gets that edge.
      But I wouldn't want him to go on too long. He must know when he feels that way and when he still has it in him. Fury comes from a long line of fighters and you can't beat that fight in the man. That is my opinion.
      I believe that you may well be right. The first fight was very close (a SD), and the rematch is a close call!
      If the Fury I witnessed in Wilder II can show up, he stops Usyk IMO.

      You'll get to say "I called it"".
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        #4
        here i agree with bakole what he is saying. If fury is to win he needs to focus like wilder 2.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Willow The Wisp View Post
          ...Not because I don't like them. Usyk, whom I believe should again outpoint the Gypsy King; He's a great boxer, consummate professional and a fantastic personality.
          It's because casual fans are MUCH too easily confused about meaning of what is often described as the "oldest, richest and more international title in sports".

          Before Usyk-Fury I unified the belts (for a few weeks), even people who frequent this board were unclear about why the linial heavyweight title is the only real title!

          If you can learn only one thing about boxing, it should be that the championship officially began when Onomastus of Smyrna, when he won the title in 688 B.C., and that the modern day's era continued with American John L. Sullivan's winning that title, and reigning from February 7, 1882, to September 7, 1892; where he won the title under Bareknuckle London prize ring rules and lost it using gloved, Marques of Queensbury rules.
          2,712 years, same sport, same title.

          Since Sullivan's time, the title had to be re-engaged just three times using the top active contenders in a box-off, when the reigning champ retired and never came back again. This occured when Gene Tunney retired July 28, 1928, and again when Rocky Marciano retired April 27, 1956, and finally, when Lennox Lewis retired February 6, 2004.

          On those occasions, the press and the public saw no issue with how the line was reconnected, and the history was clear. But in very recent years, the collection of for-profit companies who sell title belts to promoters have gained the attention of the boxing writers and bloggers; very few of whom are proper historians of the sport; lending an opportunity to the sanctioning bodies to legitimize their personal claims about the value of their product, by hoodwinking the fans.

          Therefore, should Oleksandr Usyk or Tyson Fury retire permanently while holding the title, a drawn-out process will surely follow, with self interested promoters, sanctioning bodies and even media outlets seeking to legitimize themselves and increase their profits, even if that means confounding the fanbase about the history of a sport that is largely tolerated by civilized society only because of it's rich, multicultural history.

          Just my thoughts.
          - - Sure Usyk has a rematch clause if he loses to Blubber who's deader than Jean Harlow about now.

          The fan base is a teensy as their IQs, so nothing lost if Usyk retires.
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            #6
            Originally posted by Willow The Wisp View Post
            ...Not because I don't like them. Usyk, whom I believe should again outpoint the Gypsy King; He's a great boxer, consummate professional and a fantastic personality.
            It's because casual fans are MUCH too easily confused about meaning of what is often described as the "oldest, richest and more international title in sports".

            Before Usyk-Fury I unified the belts (for a few weeks), even people who frequent this board were unclear about why the linial heavyweight title is the only real title!

            If you can learn only one thing about boxing, it should be that the championship officially began when Onomastus of Smyrna, when he won the title in 688 B.C., and that the modern day's era continued with American John L. Sullivan's winning that title, and reigning from February 7, 1882, to September 7, 1892; where he won the title under Bareknuckle London prize ring rules and lost it using gloved, Marques of Queensbury rules.
            2,712 years, same sport, same title.

            Since Sullivan's time, the title had to be re-engaged just three times using the top active contenders in a box-off, when the reigning champ retired and never came back again. This occured when Gene Tunney retired July 28, 1928, and again when Rocky Marciano retired April 27, 1956, and finally, when Lennox Lewis retired February 6, 2004.

            On those occasions, the press and the public saw no issue with how the line was reconnected, and the history was clear. But in very recent years, the collection of for-profit companies who sell title belts to promoters have gained the attention of the boxing writers and bloggers; very few of whom are proper historians of the sport; lending an opportunity to the sanctioning bodies to legitimize their personal claims about the value of their product, by hoodwinking the fans.

            Therefore, should Oleksandr Usyk or Tyson Fury retire permanently while holding the title, a drawn-out process will surely follow, with self interested promoters, sanctioning bodies and even media outlets seeking to legitimize themselves and increase their profits, even if that means confounding the fanbase about the history of a sport that is largely tolerated by civilized society only because of it's rich, multicultural history.

            Just my thoughts.
            May you be blessed sir! Someone who truly gets it. I'm so sick of being left out on a limb trying to explain to people the importance of the lineal and here you make this wonderful post... I feel like that statue in Rockefeller center of Atlas holding up the earth and somebody just lifted the earth off my shoulders lol. Fans just do not get the lineal. And it bugs the s*** out of me.

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              #7
              As far as predicting the outcome of this rematch? I guess it's the obvious It could go either way lol. I tend to think fury will prevail. I think his big problem last fight was he gassed one round too soon. If he had one more round in that fight it would have either been a draw or his win I believe. All you really has to do prepare to go 6 more minutes and maybe try to box a little smarter just a little bit.

              When he was out boxing USYK he really was getting to him... You could see it in his face. I tend to think USYKs success just looked a lot better to fans then Furys.

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                #8
                Originally posted by max baer View Post


                I agree. I think if Fury should win then they will need to judge the way they feel. I think as a fan I want to see Fury fight more but not get hurt.
                I think Fury can win if he goes about it like he did in wilder 2. Really take him seriously and be prepared. Fury often gets to know a fighter after one bout and then knows what to do in the second. I think he will win if he really takes it seriously and gets that edge.
                But I wouldn't want him to go on too long. He must know when he feels that way and when he still has it in him. Fury comes from a long line of fighters and you can't beat that fight in the man. That is my opinion.
                - - He daddy a mug.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

                  - - Sure Usyk has a rematch clause if he loses to Blubber who's deader than Jean Harlow about now.

                  The fan base is a teensy as their IQs, so nothing lost if Usyk retires.
                  deader than Jean Harlow lol. Not heard that one before. She died in the mid 30s so making a strong point there. I hope uysk wins and retires as one of the all time greats. He’s so much smaller than the guys he’s beaten at heavy and it’s a testament to the noble art he comes out on top

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by cfang View Post

                    deader than Jean Harlow lol. Not heard that one before. She died in the mid 30s so making a strong point there. I hope uysk wins and retires as one of the all time greats. He’s so much smaller than the guys he’s beaten at heavy and it’s a testament to the noble art he comes out on top
                    - - "Deader'n Jean Harlow" was "Bigger'n Dallas" in my day.

                    Yeah, I suspect Usyk will have earned enough and is smart enough to know that time waits for noone...NOONE!!!

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