Old School Boxing skills: The lost art of baiting head-movement in depth description

[billeau2]

- - Ama vs Pro comparison like U vs a Grizzly. Not only is he smarter than U/Kerouk/Ginsberg, but he finds U all very tasty to set him up for winter hibernation...

?? This post makes no sense... If you are saying Ama vs Pro is a big divide, it would not show anything germaine to your comparison of two ammy styles... What is the point? The argument was a comparison of two ammy styles and you come back with some intoxicated rant about pro versus ammy?

Please... don't be an idiot. Do us all a favor.

[JAB5239]

?? This post makes no sense... If you are saying Ama vs Pro is a big divide, it would not show anything germaine to your comparison of two ammy styles... What is the point? The argument was a comparison of two ammy styles and you come back with some intoxicated rant about pro versus ammy?

Please... don't be an idiot. Do us all a favor.

To late.

[QueensburyRules]

?? This post makes no sense... If you are saying Ama vs Pro is a big divide, it would not show anything germaine to your comparison of two ammy styles... What is the point? The argument was a comparison of two ammy styles and you come back with some intoxicated rant about pro versus ammy?

Please... don't be an idiot. Do us all a favor.

- - Now, is that Ginsberg or Kerouac U channeling???

[billeau2]

- - Now, is that Ginsberg or Kerouac U channeling???

[GhostofDempsey]

Much of Mike Tyson's early success can be attributed to his head movement. Cus and Rooney taught him to move his head EVERY time he threw a punch. A prime Tyson was fast and hard to hit clean because he was always moving his head and upper torso. Dempsey made himself a hard target to hit clean with his bobbing and weaving head movement. Pernell had a very similar style as well.

[them_apples]

So when apples talks about some of the best modern boxers fighting like amateurs - you don't think that is meant derogatively? But rather praising these boxers for having developed a very sophisticated style, based on their long amateur experience? Considering how he goes out of his way trying to belittle modern boxers, every chance he gets - I don't really think so!

oh **** you are right thanks for helping me communicate this (Billeau)

[them_apples]

One issue I am realizing with modern boxers - it’s much more difficult to stay active or even find good sparring. This is the likely cause of them seemingly have no savvy. You can’t get good if you can’t ever practice. How can you become a fearsome fighter without being able to fight.

[them_apples]

If someone says that a fighter boxes like an amateur - isn't that just another way of saying, that he's not very good? Isn't that what it means? So claiming that Inoue and Usyk fight like amateurs, or that Bivol and Canelo can't fight at all... I'm sorry, but I see this as being unnecessarily belittling!

On a site like this, knowledgeable (in most cases!) boxing enthusiasts gather to discuss/exchange views on the sport of boxing. Most of the time, this is about things that can't be objectively verified (who beats who, for example)... but of course everybody is entitled to their own opinions.

However, when someone claims that he has proof, that oldtimers had better chins and were more courageous, or that today's boxers have thinner sculls - then we're talking about factual things. Should we just accept this - or shouldn't we ask such a poster to somehow actually prove, that this is indeed so?

hes right if you think when I use the term Ammy I don’t mean it as an insult. I mean the style of fighting in the amatuers doesn’t translate to 12 rounds with 8 oz reyes on. The rules have changed in amatuer boxing. Its about volume which has changed the style of punching. Which in turn has changed the style of defense. High guards work in the amateurs because gloves are bigger and punches are short weak and fast. All you do is block them.

my apologies I avoid commas and apostrophes to lower the artifacts. Sometimes I probably sound uneducated which may taint the quality of my posts.

[Bundana]

hes right if you think when I use the term Ammy I donât mean it as an insult. I mean the style of fighting in the amatuers doesnât translate to 12 rounds with 8 oz reyes on. The rules have changed in amatuer boxing. Its about volume which has changed the style of punching. Which in turn has changed the style of defense. High guards work in the amateurs because gloves are bigger and punches are short weak and fast. All you do is block them.

my apologies I avoid commas and apostrophes to lower the artifacts. Sometimes I probably sound uneducated which may taint the quality of my posts.

Apples... I think I owe you an apology!

I know, I've been very critical of your opinions over these past few years - but I have now been informed by another poster, that I have been too hard on you.

While you may exaggerate to drive home a point, you only do this occasionally, and seldom go completely overboard, I'm told.

Also, when you call modern boxers "amateurs", I have now come to understand, that this is probably not meant in a negative way - but rather should be seen as praising today's boxers for taking the amateur style to a new level of excellence.

Seems like I have been wrong about you all this time... so, once again, I apologize.

[billeau2]

Apples... I think I owe you an apology!

I know, I've been very critical of your opinions over these past few years - but I have now been informed by another poster, that I have been too hard on you.

While you may exaggerate to drive home a point, you only do this occasionally, and seldom go completely overboard, I'm told.

Also, when you call modern boxers "amateurs", I have now come to understand, that this is probably not meant in a negative way - but rather should be seen as praising today's boxers for taking the amateur style to a new level of excellence.

Seems like I have been wrong about you all this time... so, once again, I apologize.

It shows your maturity and insight to make such a post... Good on you! I have made more than a few such posts myself! Lol. I personally feel one of the ironic things about amatuer programs, is how little gets itemized for future reference... The programs tend to be provincial, in the sense of territorial. So we see things like the phenominal success of Cuban and Ukraine fighters, but know little about the training principles they came up with. Usyk once talked about his trainer forcing him to move his head every time he threw a counter punch, and Loma was told to take up dancing by his father... Lol, we get tidbits!

A point related to success... Many people do not realize how fantastic it is for fighters like Odanier Solis, Gonzales, (to name a few) to be relatively successful. Superstars are kind of the luck of the draw... I mean for every 1000 fighters we get an "El Chocolate" or a "Jose Napoles"... Just as if we take enough kids, from many different areas, and give an IQ test, we will always have a few geniuses. But the real accomplishment is when a boxing program can send so many people to the professional ranks, and for these people to have relative success. Cuba and the Ukraine have a small population compared to Mexico and Russia, yet have nurtured an amazing number of good fighters who have had decent careers, compared to the larger countries (Mexico and Russia) that also have good boxing programs.