Jones or Hopkins - Who ranks higher?

[THE REED]

Listen ****weed, everyone with a brain knows Jones won the rubber match, he clearly out-boxed Tarver and should have won a UD. I scored it 8-4, Jones.

Jones' acheivements are NOT exaggerated - he one belts at midleweight, super middleweight, light heavyweight and HEAVYWEIGHT. The latter alone is 10000X more important than any washed up welterweight b-hop ever beat.

John Ruiz is a complete and utter garbage bum... talk about cherry picking for an easy belt and ducking the real HW champ in Lewis... he ran back down to LHW faster then a whiteboy chasing a Peanut Butter sandwich... and whats hilarious is, he got knocked out there too.

[ИATAS]

John Ruiz is a complete and utter garbage bum... talk about cherry picking for an easy belt and ducking the real HW champ in Lewis... he ran back down to LHW faster then a whiteboy chasing a Peanut Butter sandwich... and whats hilarious is, he got knocked out there too.

he was weight drained and past his prime when he got KO'd. ****, he was 49-1 prior to that happening.

Ruiz a bum? Are you kidding me? He's only the greatest Puerto Rican heavyweight champ of all time, not too mention a guy like Hopkins, let alone your average middleweight, would get KTFO by Ruiz.

[THE REED]

he was weight drained and past his prime when he got KO'd. ****, he was 49-1 prior to that happening.

Ruiz a bum? Are you kidding me? He's only the greatest Puerto Rican heavyweight champ of all time, not too mention a guy like Hopkins, let alone your average middleweight, would get KTFO by Ruiz.

The greatest PR HW of all time is no different than saying the greatest Australian basketball player of all time... it means f.cuk all.

[Benny Leonard]

John Ruiz is a complete and utter garbage bum... talk about cherry picking for an easy belt and ducking the real HW champ in Lewis... he ran back down to LHW faster then a whiteboy chasing a Peanut Butter sandwich... and whats hilarious is, he got knocked out there too.

I wouldn't call that "hilarious"...I would call that a cautionary tale for all fighters that want to move back down in weight like that, especially at that age where the body is susceptible to fall off.
Roy was still a former MW, SMW, LH, that moved up to fight a legit 200+ pound HW with a title.

Lewis never fought Ruiz or Byrd...two fighters that held the title while he reigned despite Byrd continually calling him out.
Now did Roy cherry-pick one of the titles….absolutely, but it was there to be picked because "The Champ," Lennox Lewis, didn't have that title.

[THE REED]

I wouldn't call that "hilarious"...I would call that a cautionary tale for all fighters that want to move back down in weight like that, especially at that age where the body is susceptible to fall off.
Roy was still a former MW, SMW, LH, that moved up to fight a legit 200+ pound HW with a title.

Lewis never fought Ruiz or Byrd...two fighters that held the title while he reigned despite Byrd continually calling him out.
Now did Roy cherry-pick one of the titles….absolutely, but it was there to be picked because "The Champ," Lennox Lewis, didn't have that title.

Stay on topic.

[Benny Leonard]

Well he already fought Roy, and Roy was completely unreasonable in making the rematch, he fought Calzaghe at LHW, James Toney couldnt handle staying at SMW for very long, the guy gained 5 lbs a week.

On top of the fact why leave a division you are unifying and dominating? 20 title defenses is a MW record... thats legacy, why would you leave until you finish your business? Not too mention the huge money fights involving Oscar and Trinidad.... When he DID lose BARELY to Taylor then he did move up... 2 WEIGHT CLASSES instantly and schooled the #1 LHW, at 40 years old... which basically dismisses your "should have moved up" hypothetical bull****.

How so? Roy was the bigger star in the bigger weight division. I never thought Hopkins wanted a rematch. He lost to Roy. Put money aside and get that rematch win if you think you are the better man. What ever happened to his talk about Money doesn't last forever but legacy does.

But yes, I agree with you with the other because I said that as well: Why move up to fight Calzaghe when your legacy is being made at MW and you are shooting for big paydays...like against Oscar. And then the threat to your legacy when Taylor came around, although Hopkins was past his best by that point. Young Hopkins starts from round 1 and continues through round 12, unlike the stamina cautious Old Hopkins. Although Hopkins can't complain how that Calzaghe fight turned out because he was the one that waited that long to make that fight happen.

[THE REED]

How so? Roy was the bigger star in the bigger weight division. I never thought Hopkins wanted a rematch. He lost to Roy. Put money aside and get that rematch win if you think you are the better man. What ever happened to his talk about Money doesn't last forever but legacy does.

But yes, I agree with you with the other because I said that as well: Why move up to fight Calzaghe when your legacy is being made at MW and you are shooting for big paydays...like against Oscar. And then the threat to your legacy when Taylor came around, although Hopkins was past his best by that point. Young Hopkins starts from round 1 and continues through round 12, unlike the stamina cautious Old Hopkins. Although Hopkins can't complain how that Calzaghe fight turned out because he was the one that waited that long to make that fight happen.

60-40 at LHW, while Bhop was a MW was not reasonable.

[Benny Leonard]

Roy lost to Tarver twice, the rest of your over-exaggerated post reminds me a lot of the fighter you defend.

Yes, but Roy also looked like Casper the Ghost in that first fight and never fully recovered from the weight-loss. And when Hopkins fought Tarver, Tarver got the Boomerang effect from the Roy weight-loss system. Hopkins fought a deflated Tarver. That wasn't the same Tarver that battled it out with Johnson or fought Roy Jones Jr.

But in simple terms like many use, yes; Roy lost to Tarver and Tarver lost to Hopkins. Ali also lost to Berbick.

[Benny Leonard]

60-40 at LHW, while Bhop was a MW was not reasonable.

Let's see: Roy was a LH Champion (as well as a former MW and SMW Champion), P4P #1, beat Hopkins, was the bigger draw...and?
60-40 is a great deal.

B-Hop bitched out. This is Philly talk.

[Lokotron]

60-40 at LHW, while Bhop was a MW was not reasonable.

It's a tought choice but I have to go with Bernard because he beat two opponents who knocked out Roy.He also beat trinidad at a more natural weight and scored a knockout roy failed to knock out a washed up tito at a weight he didn't belong in.Bernard "lost to calzaghe" imo he really won but it was close.Roy got beaten badly no disrespect to roy.Hopkins is fighting people younger then him.Roy jones done so much we will be able to know for sure after both fighters retire for good.