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    #11
    Had to delete that to make space, gonna re-download it. Will post my scorecard. Ofcourse, Whitaker may have lost, reason why I might have deleted it

    Will download and watch later today.

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      #12
      Originally posted by Benncollinsaad View Post
      Look, I know you guys gotta make excuses why your guy lost, but I'm really sick of it. Just admit he lost and be done with it! According to you Whitaker fans here, he was slipping in every match he didn't win. Like he was GOD or something. You saying a prime Whitaker could NEVER lose to ANYBODY??!!
      It's no secret though because he was in and out of rehab during the later part of the 1990's.

      Would you give Lennox Lewis a ton of credit for beating Oliver McCall?

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        #13
        Originally posted by TheGreatA View Post
        It's no secret though because he was in and out of rehab during the later part of the 1990's.

        Would you give Lennox Lewis a ton of credit for beating Oliver McCall?
        Of course not! But this was different, Whitaker didn't run around half the fight crying.

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          #14
          Originally posted by Benncollinsaad View Post
          Of course not! But this was different, Whitaker didn't run around half the fight crying.
          He was clearly performing under his normal capabilities however.

          I'm not going to say that this fight shouldn't be taken into account but it means very little when discussing Pernell Whitaker's greatness. He was on the decline, which happens to all fighters, and Rivera was no bum.

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            #15
            Originally posted by Benncollinsaad View Post
            I just read the decision in this fight was controversial, a SD for Whitaker. Does anybody have it? It's not on youtube, I guess the Sweet Pea fans aren't interested in showing it.

            Wilfredo Rivera was underated.
            I thought Rivera won the first fight on points. But Pea at that point was a fighter in decline. He put up a solid effort to win the rematch (and even that I felt was kinda close) but he was slowing and it showed.

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              #16
              Originally posted by IMDAZED View Post
              I thought Rivera won the first fight on points. But Pea at that point was a fighter in decline. He put up a solid effort to win the rematch (and even that I felt was kinda close) but he was slowing and it showed.
              So how can anybody claim that he beat DLH then??

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                #17
                Originally posted by TheGreatA View Post
                He was clearly performing under his normal capabilities however.

                I'm not going to say that this fight shouldn't be taken into account but it means very little when discussing Pernell Whitaker's greatness. He was on the decline, which happens to all fighters, and Rivera was no bum.
                Well said.

                Originally posted by Benncollinsaad View Post
                So how can anybody claim that he beat DLH then??
                He trained harder against De La Hoya and won on many peoples score cards. If you can't accept that Whitaker was on the decline then you're being a complete hater.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Benncollinsaad View Post
                  Look, I know you guys gotta make excuses why your guy lost, but I'm really sick of it. Just admit he lost and be done with it! According to you Whitaker fans here, he was slipping in every match he didn't win. Like he was GOD or something. You saying a prime Whitaker could NEVER lose to ANYBODY??!!
                  It was nowhere near as controversial as some made it. It was close the first time but Whitaker winning wasn't a bad call. Rivera closed strong but didn't do much early on. Whitaker won the second bout going away.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by CCobra View Post
                    Well said.



                    He trained harder against De La Hoya and won on many peoples score cards. If you can't accept that Whitaker was on the decline then you're being a complete hater.
                    Hater? That breaks my heart! You are being foolish if you think he won that fight. Those "people" you mention are all Whitaker-nuthuggers and Oscar-sceptics. Back then he had his share of them.

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                      #20
                      Wilfredo Rivera is underrated and yet you haven't watched any of his fights,you know nothing about his career other than looking up on boxrec and finding out that he had two fights with Pernell Whitaker,with the first fight described as the following,according to boxrec

                      "The decision was a controversial one, and a rematch was required"


                      Mr boxrec ranger fails hard.

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