Is Floyd Mayweather Jr an All Time Great?

[Cash Cow]

To me his selling points for greatness are his skills relative to other greats.

The problem I have with it is that its hypothetical at best.

Most posters here specially there at NSB are stating that he hypothetically beats a genuine ATG like Roberto Duran or Alexis Arguello.

Some maybe right, others maybe wrong. But at the end of the day it is just that. HYPOTHETICAL.

Where in hell can you find greatness with that?

What say you people?

Without a doubt......ATG....one of the best all around fighters I have ever seen. The fact that he has moved up 5 weight classes, faced top notch guys (a few duds here and there like everyone else), and has NOT sustained any punishment is amazing....

People don't appreciate him now but when he retires we will all wish he was still fighting.

[JAB5239]

Without a doubt......ATG....one of the best all around fighters I have ever seen. The fact that he has moved up 5 weight classes, faced top notch guys (a few duds here and there like everyone else), and has NOT sustained any punishment is amazing....

People don't appreciate him now but when he retires we will all wish he was still fighting.

He makes my top 50, but when you put his accomplishments under a microscope they aren't so astounding. Besides Castillo, his level of comp above 130 really isn't that impressive. He's never unified a division and rarely takes on the best until there is no one else left. The BEST fighters in history took on the best comp in their divisions. His talent says greatness, but waiting for the last man standing taints much of what he's done compared to most other all time greats.

[StarshipTrooper]

He makes my top 50, but when you put his accomplishments under a microscope they aren't so astounding. Besides Castillo, his level of comp above 130 really isn't that impressive. He's never unified a division and rarely takes on the best until there is no one else left. The BEST fighters in history took on the best comp in their divisions. His talent says greatness, but waiting for the last man standing taints much of what he's done compared to most other all time greats.

It's like I always say: How can you really tell how skilled (and how good) a fighter is until he shows it against really good in-prime opponents. It's just too easy to look better than you really are against sub-par opposition. This is why fighters who dominate weak eras lose standing on the all-time lists: Not because there resume is weaker (which it obviously is) but rather because their weak opposition makes their true abilities a question mark. It's not JUST what you do and how you do it: It's also who you do it against and when you do it against them.

Poet

[cotto16]

It's like I always say: How can you really tell how skilled (and how good) a fighter is until he shows it against really good in-prime opponents. It's just too easy to look better than you really are against sub-par opposition. This is why fighters who dominate weak eras lose standing on the all-time lists: Not becuase there resume is weaker (which it obviously is) but rather because their weak opposition makes their true abilities a question mark. It's not JUST what you do and how you do it: It's also who you do it against and when you do it against them.

Poet

So why do you rank Carlos Zarate and Migeul Canto so high then? Floyd fought and beat better oppostion than both, and both Zarate's and Canto oppostion arent much to speak of.

[StarshipTrooper]

Floyd fought and beat better oppostion than both

You mean guys like these?

Carlos "I Suck But I Have A Really Cool Name" Baldomir
Oscar "I'm So Washed Up But I Want A Big Pay-Day" De La Hoya
Angel "I Have No Talent But I DO Have Awesome Tattoos" Manfredy
Mickey "I'm A Punching Bag But I'm Brit So I Get Grossly Overrated" Hatton
Diego "I'm Overrated Because I'm Posthumous" Corrales
Juan Manuel "I'm A Past-It Featherweight" Marquez
Zab "I Choke In Every Big Fight" Judah
Sharmba "I'm Even More Washed Up Than De La Hoya" Mitchell
Arturo "I Only Get Big Fights Because I Bleed" Gatti
Genero "I'm Older Than Floyd's Crackhead Daddy" Hernandez
DeMarcus "I Sould Be Fighting On ESPN" Corley

[cotto16]

You mean guys like these?

Carlos "I Suck But I Have A Really Cool Name" Baldomir
Oscar "I'm So Washed Up But I Want A Big Pay-Day" De La Hoya
Angel "I Have No Talent But I DO Have Awesome Tattoos" Manfredy
Mickey "I'm A Punching Bag But I'm Brit So I Get Grossly Overrated" Hatton
Diego "I'm Overrated Because I'm Posthumous" Corrales
Juan Manuel "I'm A Past-It Featherweight" Marquez
Zab "I Choke In Every Big Fight" Judah
Sharmba "I'm Even More Washed Up Than De La Hoya" Mitchell
Arturo "I Only Get Big Fights Because I Bleed" Gatti
Genero "I'm Older Than Floyd's Crackhead Daddy" Hernandez
DeMarcus "I Sould Be Fighting On ESPN" Corley

That can be done to virtyually all fighters resume's do. But you never answered my question, you say you like to judge fighters ability on who they were fighting, but Zarate and Canto never been much oppostion of note, and floyd beat the better fighters.

But yet you have Zarate and Canto in your top 20.

WTF..............

[project xxx1]

of course he is,it doesnt matter if you like him or not,if your not a pbf hater you will agree

[StarshipTrooper]

That can be done to virtyually all fighters resume's do. But you never answered my question, you say you like to judge fighters ability on who they were fighting, but Zarate and Canto never been much oppostion of note, and floyd beat the better fighters.

But yet you have Zarate and Canto in your top 20.

WTF..............

Completely missing the point that I don't think Floyd beat the better fighters. You can assert that he did until you're blue in the face but logically, like any gratuitous assertion, it can be equally gratuitously denied.

Poet

[GJC]

He will show in most ATG lists but probably not as high as his talent warrants

[zoneman99]

I think he fits into a top 50 ATG list. He has the skills, but does he have the resume?