What Does Wladamir Klitschko Have To Do To Become A ATG?

[Gettin Jiggy]

ring mag sucks. they NEVER out heavyweights in their top ten p4p - hardly ever is what i mean. i dont know why. i mean, if a guy has handled dudes near his own size, and dudes who are considered slicker and are smaller, and faced both big punchers and boxers and wins, and has more than 1 belt, he should be in top 20 easily.

anyways, not my point.

wladimir and his bro have been the best fighters in the last decade at least. even when lewis was around, either was a capable challenger - especially vitali who can make lewis look like a toughman slugger.

now, thing is, can we say that this division is weak? or is it that vitali and wladimir are that much better? that is the tougher part. just as people think tyson is so dangerous - i then remember watching his PPV's against opponents who were equals with many of wladimir's opponents.

IMO, wlad is already an ATG. especially if he retains his titles for 2 more years. he has longevity, great KO highlites, boxing skill, power, speed, everything. his only flaw has been catching 1 big punch by sanders(a huge puncher) and being clubbed in the back of the head by peter.

i'd like to see VK be in there as well. he has less fights, but has absolutely owned fighters like nobody i have ever seen. ever.

i agree, people say oh it a terrible division, cound't it be that wlad and vitali are just that good they are making it look bad?

interesting!

[Gettin Jiggy]

****** haters like Poster Poet682006 and Bert Sugar will never accept Wlad, due to the fact that he isn't from the USA and that he isn't a exciting brawler.

They can't accpet the fact that a Eastern European fighter, who does the true art of boxing hit and not be hit is ruling the division. And they also can't accept the fact that Wlad is a gentalmen outside the ring also.

[Spartacus Sully]

Atg is different from person to person for me i think the want to chisel my eyes out while watching a wlad fight would have to subside alittle before id say hes an atg. as far a hall of fame got no problems with that he probably already deserves that or at least will by the time hes finished his career.

[j]

Atg is different from person to person for me i think the want to chisel my eyes out while watching a wlad fight would have to subside alittle before id say hes an atg. as far a hall of fame got no problems with that he probably already deserves that or at least will by the time hes finished his career.

but ATG is not about excitement, just dominance and measure of skill.

btw, watch wlad's first 30 or so fights and u will see nothing but 2 round KO's.

that is how tyson got famous - by clever promotion using his destruction of mostly "unskilled" fighters. both wlad and vitali have nothing but 1 and 2 round KO's in their first 20-30 fights. wlad is now more into improving skill, timing, etc. so, that is what we have been seeing for the last 10 fights mostly. but when he smells blood, he almost always lays on some heat.

anyways, believe me, if u were crowned heavyweight champ with 3 or so belts, u would not be careless even if u could ko a f'ing horse with a jab.

[Obama]

Ring ****zine Yearly p4p Ratings:

1989
1. Mike Tyson
2. Julio Cesar Chavez
3. Pernell Whitaker
4. Michael Nunn
5. Antonio Esparragoza
6. Meldrick Taylor
7. Azumah Nelson
8. Raul Perez
9. Virgil Hill
10. Marlon Starling

1990
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Pernell Whitaker
3. Michael Nunn
4. Antonio Esparragoza
5. Meldrick Taylor
6. Evander Holyfield
7. Mike Tyson
8. Raul Perez
9. Myung-Woo Yuh
10. Khaosai Galaxy

1992
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Pernell Whitaker
3. Terry Norris
4. Orlando Canizales
5. James (Buddy) McGirt
6. Rid**** Bowe
7. Azumah Nelson
8. Sung-Kil Moon
9. Julian Jackson
10. James Toney

1993
1. Pernell Whitaker
2. Julio Cesar Chavez
3. James Toney
4. Michael Carbajal
5. Orlando Canizales
6. Evander Holyfield
7. Ricardo Lopez
8. Roy Jones Jr.
9. Kennedy McKinney
10. Yuri Arbachakov

1995
1. Pernell Whitaker
2. Roy Jones Jr.
3. Ricardo Lopez
4. Oscar De La Hoya
5. Felix Trinidad
6. Yuri Arbachakov
7. Kostya Tszyu
8. Rid**** Bowe
9. Marco Antonio Barrera
10. Terry Norris

1996
1. Roy Jones Jr.
2. Oscar De La Hoya
3. Pernell Whitaker
4. Felix Trinidad
5. Ricardo Lopez
6. Junior Jones
7. Kostya Tszyu
8. Terry Norris
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Mark Johnson

*Couldn't find '97, but Holyfield is in it

1998
1. Oscar De La Hoya
2. Roy Jones Jr.
3. Evander Holyfield
4. Felix Trinidad
5. Mark Johnson
6. Shane Mosley
7. Ricardo Lopez
8. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
9. Naseem Hamed
10. Johnny Tapia

2000
1. Shane Mosley
2. Felix Trinidad
3. Roy Jones Jr.
4. Oscar De La Hoya
5. Diego Corrales
6. Naseem Hamed
7. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
8. Lennox Lewis
9. Erik Morales
10. Bernard Hopkins

2002
1. Bernard Hopkins
2. Roy Jones Jr.
3. Marco Antonio Barrera
4. Vernon Forrest
5. Oscar De La Hoya
6. Kostya Tszyu
7. Erik Morales
8. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
9. Lennox Lewis
10. Shane Mosley

So, who said Ring ****zine never ranks Heavyweights in their top 10 p4p? Of the last 4 great Heavyweights we've had (Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe, Lewis), they've all made it. Tyson even made #1.

[Jim Jeffries]

Not really key, in a weak era of fighters I'd say #1. But with Mayweathers and Pacquiaos around, 3 sounds about right.

So a top 5 ATG HW his size Lennox Lewis, never got past #7, but you want Wlad to be #3? WTF? And don't bring up Tyson or Holyfield, because they were small HWs, and made higher on the list much easier because of that.

P4p is a subjective list anyway.

[Obama]

So a top 5 ATG HW his size Lennox Lewis, never got past #7, but you want Wlad to be #3? WTF? And don't bring up Tyson or Holyfield, because they were small HWs, and made higher on the list much easier because of that.

P4p is a subjective list anyway.

All ratings are subjective. Especially historical ones comparing fighters of different eras, even in the same weight division.

Anyways, the top 4 Heavyweights over the last 20 years mentioned previously fought in a better overall era. And they achieved slightly higher ratings I believe, I just don't have monthly ratings on hand.

Anyways. the current #3 p4p is an over the hill 44 year old man, who is guaranteed to lose to any remotely close to elite fighter with fast hands and decent boxing skills (Dawson, Ward, Dirrell, hell maybe even Bute). So yea, I expect Wlad to be able to crack #3 given the age of the guys in the top 10 right now. Bernard is on his way out, JMM is getting there, Mosley is getting there, Vazquez and R. Marquez could be shot from their trilogy for all we know, Caballero doesn't even belong there, it's not exactly a list with a future.

[Piggu]

I don't know if he can do it..............

[Jim Jeffries]

All ratings are subjective. Especially historical ones comparing fighters of different eras, even in the same weight division.

Anyways, the top 4 Heavyweights over the last 20 years mentioned previously fought in a better overall era. And they achieved slightly higher ratings I believe, I just don't have monthly ratings on hand.

Anyways. the current #3 p4p is an over the hill 44 year old man, who is guaranteed to lose to any remotely close to elite fighter with fast hands and decent boxing skills (Dawson, Ward, Dirrell, hell maybe even Bute). So yea, I expect Wlad to be able to crack #3 given the age of the guys in the top 10 right now. Bernard is on his way out, JMM is getting there, Mosley is getting there, Vazquez and R. Marquez could be shot from their trilogy for all we know, Caballero doesn't even belong there, it's not exactly a list with a future.

For all those guys you mentioned, there are guys like Paul Williams, Chad Dawson, David Haye, the winner of the super 6 tourney, Ivan Calderon, Miguel Cotto, etc to take their place.

And top 3 for a guy Wlad's size is absurd, seeing how it's never been done before. Try again.

[Jone2ts]

The public would respect him more if he fought like how he looked. Honestly he's bigger faster and a better skilled fighter than all the fat bums they march out on espn classic for him and he takes no chances. When he was NY he was getting booed for how horribly boring he is. He's boring because despite being head and shoulders better more skilled he still refuses to actually beat the man like a savage, which he should he has every attribute to do so and won't. In NY he actually said "I wasn't going to risk getting hit at all" while asked about taking chances and avoiding the right hand. I wish he'd fight James Toney a real boxer who can defend and has some skills and a name, but no ammount of James calling the bums ****'s or anything will lure them into a fight. I hate them both and think it's a double standard that they get a pass for beating out of shape fighters that didn't stand a chance from the jump and still won't actually beat them down like a ruthless warrior. Yet Jones beats a guy that y'all call a bum impressively and he still ain't ****, it's crazy. Like Jones is claiming to be the best now off that performance like these guys do.

If they actually fought like Drago they'd be better off in the publics eye. LMAO thats' the most credit I can give the guy.

Also why exactly isn't Wlad fighting again this summer anyway his last bout was nothing more than a glorified sparring session anyway, him & pac had easy fights still just sitting around like they got hurt and have to heal, both dominated practically every min of there fights. It's absurd.