Jack Johnson vs Joe Louis

[ironalex]

Joe Louis...idk if he would of stopped Johnson as he had a great chin, i think Johnson's rangy arms would and defense would of caused problems, but all in all i think Louis would of won, close fight though and very good question.

[Spartacus Sully]

Johnson toyed with Jeffries for 15 rounds on purpose. He could have taken him out much, much sooner. Watch the Unforgiveable Blackness documentary.

and apparently he also let jess willard knock him out but maybe you should watch the video

[Slimey Limey]

You sound like a guy that never progressed mentally beyond the teenager phase.

There is nothing ****** about picking Johnson to beat Louis or vice versa. To claim otherwise is down right sad.



Johnson toyed with Jeffries for 15 rounds on purpose. He could have taken him out much, much sooner. Watch the Unforgiveable Blackness documentary.

Don't mind Poet. He's the resident Louis nuthugging arseclown.

Johnson knew Louis' weakness better than anyone else, wanted to beat him more than anyone else and he was a very bad styles matchup for bumbeater. Slick, great defense, inside fighting, strong clinching, power to crack that china chin. Really this is one of the most clear outcomes.

Yet the Joseph nuthugging idiots actually claim he would destroy Johnson with ease

[Slimey Limey]

and apparently he also let jess willard knock him out but maybe you should watch the video

Apparently Willard beating Johnson is the equivelant of Marciano decapitating bumbeater.

And as for Johnson "taking a long time to stop Jeffries" you should see Louis who took a very long time to stop a Light Heavyweight, who was absolutely dominating him along the way. Johnson toyed with a former HW champ.

[Obama]

and apparently he also let jess willard knock him out but maybe you should watch the video

You realize Johnson was already convicted of a federal crime at that point right? Note where the fight took place at. Also note how there was no attempt to keep Johnson from fleeing the country...

And the ONLY reason he was convicted of violating the Mann Act was because no one wanted him as Champion anymore. If it wasn't BS we wouldn't be trying to vindicate the man today:

House urging pardon for Jack Johnson

Associated Press

WASHINGTON -- Congress approved a resolution Wednesday urging a presidential pardon for Jack Johnson, the late black heavyweight champion who was imprisoned because of his romantic ties with a white woman.

The House passed the resolution by voice vote, about a month after the Senate approved it.

Johnson became the first black heavyweight champion in 1908, a century before the nation elected Barack ***** its first black president. The Senate resolution was sponsored by *****'s 2008 GOP rival, Sen. John McCain of Arizona.

"I'm pleased the House has joined the Senate in passing a resolution to express the sense of Congress that Jack Johnson, the best heavyweight fighter of his era, should receive a posthumous pardon for being convicted of violating the Mann Act in 1913," said McCain.

The resolution's House sponsor, New York ********** Peter King, said that he was thrilled that after five years of efforts, it's passed both chambers of Congress.

"Jack Johnson is a trailblazer and a legend, whose boxing career was cut short due to unjust laws and racial persecution," King said. "I urge the president to do the right thing and take the final step and grant his pardon."

The White House, which didn't comment after Senate passage, had no immediate comment Wednesday night.

In 1913, Johnson was convicted of violating the Mann Act, which made it illegal to transport women across state lines for immoral purposes. The law has since been heavily amended, but has not been repealed.

Johnson fled the country after his conviction, but agreed years later to return and serve a 10-month jail sentence. He tried to renew his boxing career after leaving prison, but failed to regain his title. He died in a car crash in 1946 at age 68.

The resolution approved by Congress says that Johnson should receive a posthumous pardon "for the racially motivated conviction in 1913 that diminished the athletic, cultural, and historic significance of Jack Johnson and unduly tarnished his reputation." It says a pardon would "expunge a racially motivated abuse of the prosecutorial authority of the federal government from the annals of criminal justice in the United States."

Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., D-Ill., noted that Vernon Forrest, a former boxing champion who was killed when he exchanged ******* with robbery suspects over the weekend, had championed Johnson's cause -- including meeting with members of Congress a few years ago.

Jackson praised Forrest for his "consciousness, for his willingness to fight for something bigger than himself, and for the extraordinary legacy that he has left us all."

Filmmaker Ken Burns helped form the Committee to Pardon Jack Johnson, which filed a petition with the Justice Department in 2004 that was never acted on. Burns' 2005 documentary, "Unforgivable Blackness: The Rise and Fall of Jack Johnson," examined the case against Johnson and the sentencing judge's admitted desire to "send a message" to black men about relationships with white women.

Johnson, a native of Galveston, Texas, won the 1908 world heavyweight title after police in Australia stopped his 14-round match against the severely battered Canadian world champion, Tommy Burns -- leading to a search for a "Great White Hope" who could beat Johnson.

Two years later, Jim Jeffries, the American world titleholder Johnson had tried for years to fight, returned to the ring from retirement but lost in a match called "The Battle of the Century," resulting in deadly riots.

"It has now been over 100 years since Jack Johnson won the heavyweight title, and it's time we restore his reputation with a pardon that is long overdue," said King, who spars at boxing gym on Long Island.

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[Miburo]

Johnson under old-school rules (stoppage in 30-40 rounds), Louis under the 15-round system, although I believe Johnson would make it interesting.

[Spartacus Sully]

not sure what your talking about *****.

I was talking about how back when johnson beat jeffries the govement put an act inplace that made it so videos of prize fighters wernt alowed to cross state lines or be shown in movie theaters.

due to this the johnson jeffries bout wasnt shown to the general public till the 60/70's. more so was the fight between johnson and willard where willard clearly gets johnson in an opening and knocks johnson TFO as one of the better ko's ive seen, but since the video was not allowed to be show to the rest of the world for many years to come so johnson felt he could tell every one that he threw the match on purpose.......which im sure is pretty similar to him saying he was toying with jeffries for 15 rounds.....

[Obama]

not sure what your talking about *****.

I was talking about how back when johnson beat jeffries the govement put an act inplace that made it so videos of prize fighters wernt alowed to cross state lines or be shown in movie theaters.

due to this the johnson jeffries bout wasnt shown to the general public till the 60/70's. more so was the fight between johnson and willard where willard clearly gets johnson in an opening and knocks johnson TFO as one of the better ko's ive seen, but since the video was not allowed to be show to the rest of the world for many years to come so johnson felt he could tell every one that he threw the match on purpose.......which im sure is pretty similar to him saying he was toying with jeffries for 15 rounds.....

You're so off base it's unbelievable. You don't even want to listen to the facts because you're so locked in to your beliefs that anything that challenges them is automatically dismissed by defense mechanism.

[Caesar]

louis would win over johnson by tko in a late round i think, because louis is alil bit more defensive then johnson is

[Spartacus Sully]

You're so off base it's unbelievable. You don't even want to listen to the facts because you're so locked in to your beliefs that anything that challenges them is automatically dismissed by defense mechanism.

well allrighty then