Is Wlad an All Time Great Heavyweight?

[GJC]

Are you serious? Everyone knows that the worst thing in the world to be in the U.S is a white male

I'm the racist

Amazing even an old man can do it! No doubt you will skulk some red k my way? Thats how it works isn't it?

[GJC]

lennox punched vitalis eye out & stopped him before the end of the sixth.I don't care if vitali was winning.fights are 12 rounds not 5& a half.

Bold statement! I think a lot of people think Vlad ought to have been given the decision as he was 4 rounds to 2 up.
Hearns was knocking the granny out of Barkley for two and a half rounds but no one ever says he was robbed lol

[busyfighter]

Its not K brothers fault. Marketing wise, they should not be taking all the belts.

[Esquire Dale]

lennox punched vitalis eye out & stopped him before the end of the sixth.I don't care if vitali was winning.fights are 12 rounds not 5& a half.lennox never lost to bums like puritty & sanders & brewster wouldn't last 3 rounds with lewis.Rahman got dropped by sanders twice got off the canvas to knockout sanders.his next fight he beat lewis.wlad had the same opportunity as Rahman.beat sanders & get a title shot at lewis.he couldn't make it out of the 2nd after 4 knockdowns.davarryl wiiliams lost a controversial split decision after being knocked down.lewis stares at williamson & he passed out.anybody on this site who thinks wlad is on par with lewis is dillusional.he couldn't carry lewis jockstrap.

I'd go with this

[joe strong]

Bold statement! I think a lot of people think Vlad ought to have been given the decision as he was 4 rounds to 2 up.
Hearns was knocking the granny out of Barkley for two and a half rounds but no one ever says he was robbed lol

since I've been watching I always remembered if a punch causes the cut it's a tko & it was 6 rounds of punches.if it was a headbutt is different.I wonder how vitali would have handled that? Quit before the 4th round ended to get a no contest?

[sonnyboyx2]

lmao wtf so he takes lewis quicker than he takes tony thompson

yes he does, Lewis was vastly overated and if Frank Bruno could easily out-jab Lewis and have him on the verge of defeat Wlad would destroy him

[sonnyboyx2]

You think Wlad is better than Vitali?
You are talking about a prime Lennox Lewis?

yes prime Lewis vs prime Wlad -- Wlad KO4

[joe strong]

yes he does, Lewis was vastly overated and if Frank Bruno could easily out-jab Lewis and have him on the verge of defeat Wlad would destroy him

lewis was early in his career but found a big left hook the rest is history.lewis found a way to win when losing.what is wlads excuse in his 3 losses?lewis avenged both his loses why did wlad get big brother to clean up the mess?

[CCobra]

Let's check whom you compare to Wlad's competition:

• Schmeling - a cruiser opponent
• Braddock - a cruiser opponent
• Conn (x2) - a cruiser opponent (actually sub-cruiser)
• Walcott (x2) - a cruiser opponent
• Lewis - a cruiser opponent
• Galento - a 79-26 featherfist
• Levinsky - a cruiser opponent
• Farr - a 81-30 featherfist
• Uzcudun - a 50-17 featherfist
• Sharkey - a cruiser opponent
• Bivins - a cruiser opponent

DONT EVER COMPARE these opponents to the opponents of Klitschko.

Compare Joe Louis with David Haye or with Juan Carlos Gomez, not with Klitschko.

And too bad that the 2 heavies left (Max Baer 68-13 and Primo Carnera 89-14) were also not involved in a heavyweight fight with Joe Louis, since Louis himself was below 200.


Unfortunately for you, I ACTUALLY CHECKED the FACTUAL RECORDs.


Yes, Holmes and Tyson you can compare indeed to Klitschko. They are real heavyweight ATGs.


Nonsense, and it won't get any truer by repeating it.

There has been not a worse HW era than Marciano's era and before. Now we have one of the best if not the best heavyweight era except that US boxers are exposed to global fighters and the world title isn't a local US-internal contest anymore.

I obviously need to remind everyone that in the 70ies a guy with Parkinson (Ali) was fighting against a 6-0 bum for the unified world title. THAT's how bad it was in the 70ies.

In the 80ies a Larry Homes was fighting in world title fights that included opponents such as Leon Spinks (26-17), David Bey (18-11), Scott LeDoux (33-13), Lucien Rodriguez (33-12) and other bums.

In the 90ies a Evan Fields (current heavyweight record 24-10!) was fighting against a 36-22 guy (Bert Cooper) for the unified world title.

The 2000s compare pretty well to past eras. It's merely the US commentators who ***** around.

IN THE WHOLE 70ies Muhammad Ali scored 5 (FIVE) KOs against 200+lbs opponents within 12 rounds (average weight 215lbs). That's how crappy the golden age was.

You seem to be missing the point. You class a fighter by who he beat in his era. All the guys I mentioned were legit Heavyweights of their respective era. You're completely devalueing every one of Louis' victory just because his opponents were smaller than that of todays. I'm also curious to know how you managed to throw Muhammad Ali in a post pertaining Joe Louis.

Your formula for deciding how great an era was borders on asinine.

[TheGreatA]

You seem to be missing the point. You class a fighter by who he beat in his era. All the guys I mentioned were legit Heavyweights of their respective era. You're completely devalueing every one of Louis' victory just because his opponents were smaller than that of todays. I'm also curious to know how you managed to throw Muhammad Ali in a post pertaining Joe Louis.

Your formula for deciding how great an era was borders on asinine.

Exactly.

According to him Chris Byrd is a better puncher than Smokin' Joe Frazier because Byrd has knocked out bigger men (mostly fat slobs who had no boxing ability) while ignoring that Byrd has only scored a single stoppage win over a top 10 ranked opponent, an injury-related TKO over Vitali Klitschko, while Frazier had several KO wins over ranked opponents such as Jerry Quarry, George Chuvalo, Jimmy Ellis, Buster Mathis, Doug Jones, Eddie Machen, Manuel Ramos...