Who Can Handle Vitali in the Historical Pantheon?

[StarshipTrooper]

What's you take on Vitali's chances against the fighters LRR mentioned Poet?

To be honest I have him ignored and only glanced at the posts where he's quoted.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

LOL. If you think everyone on the list beats Vitali, you're out of your right mind.

While I entertain that half of the list has a good chance, most of the smallish guys such as Dempsey and Fitsimmons just don't stand a chance. Vitali has the size advantage of Lennox Lewis, the chin of Marciano and the punch placement/accuracy of Joe Lewis. He's no pushover as you suggest.

His physical advantages cannot be ignored when placing him against the ATG's. If he was placed in the ring with anyone on this list, it's hard to imagine anybody beating him easily. Least of all being the smaller guys.

Nice thread in general. I've got my opinion on the whole deal but don't have the time to lay it down. I'll hold my peace..............for now.

Unlike some posters I'm not a size whore. My primary question is who the better fighter is not who the bigger fighter is. In this case, Vitali is NOT an ATG and his prospective opponents are. Period.

Poet

[ßringer]

LOL. If you think everyone on the list beats Vitali, you're out of your right mind.

While I entertain that half of the list has a good chance, most of the smallish guys such as Dempsey and Fitsimmons just don't stand a chance. Vitali has the size advantage of Lennox Lewis, the chin of Marciano and the punch placement/accuracy of Joe Lewis. He's no pushover as you suggest.

His physical advantages cannot be ignored when placing him against the ATG's. If he was placed in the ring with anyone on this list, it's hard to imagine anybody beating him easily. Least of all being the smaller guys.

Nice thread in general. I've got my opinion on the whole deal but don't have the time to lay it down. I'll hold my peace..............for now.

I completely disagree with the bolded, you are either blatantly ignoring Dempsey's record against giants like Fulton and Willard, or you're woefully ignorant of it.

[StarshipTrooper]

I suppose all the good Klitschko wins were against 'past their prime' fighters in some way or another , huh?

Then please name the GOOD in-prime fighters that Vitali has beaten.

Was Gomez past his prime? Not before the fight, but now he is huh?

I said GOOD in-prime fighters: Not the tomato cans posing as contenders these days.

Like Lennox Lewis. Lennox showed no signs before or during the fight with Vitali that indicated him being past anything. He was throwing hard and accurate punches from start to finish in the VK fight. He was just getting beaten by a better fighter that night. Just Like Kostya Tszyu did aginst Hatton. But since they elected to not fight after those bouts, they were all washed up and ready to retire before the fight, etc. etc. etc.....

Remind me how old Lennox was for that fight? He was past-prime by every standard.

I refuse to believe that he was less than himself against Klitschko.

A tenent of faith prehaps? I prefer objective reality where boxing is concerned. I would rather KNOW than BELIEVE.

Poet

[BattlingNelson]

To be honest I have him ignored and only glanced at the posts where he's quoted.

Poet

A shame. I would like to read your opinion. The topic is interesting even if you have LRR on ignore or not.

[StarshipTrooper]

A shame. I would like to read your opinion. The topic is interesting even if you have LRR on ignore or not.

Well, my take on it in a nutshell, is that Vitali is a near-great Heavyweight but NOT an ATG. As such I can't picture him taking any extended series with a true great. Be capable of pulling an upset? Sure. But actually coming out ahead in a best of ten? No.

Poet

[Chase8400]

Unlike some posters I'm not a size whore. My primary question is who the better fighter is not who the bigger fighter is. In this case, Vitali is NOT an ATG and his prospective opponents are. Period.

Poet

Does "Who Can Handle Vitali in the Historical Pantheon?" mean anything to you or does it sound familiar?

Oh yea, it's what the thread is all about.Who would beat who if Vitali were to face the ATG's on the list.....................................
Which is what I was commenting on, despite the fighters sizes. It's apparent that you didn't pay full attention or simply don't care what the threads premis is.

Either way though, I think this post makes you look somewhat foolish, doesn't it.

[StarshipTrooper]

Does "Who Can Handle Vitali in the Historical Pantheon?" mean anything to you or does it sound familiar?

Oh yea, it's what the thread is all about.Who would beat who if Vitali were to face the ATG's on the list.....................................
Which is what I was commenting on, despite the fighters sizes. It's apparent that you didn't pay full attention or simply don't care what the threads premis is.

Either way though, I think this post makes you look somewhat foolish, doesn't it.

"Who can handle Vitali in the historical pantheon?" is an implicit question of who is better: Vitali or X. I think my response is very logical since practically ever reason given for picking Vitali starts with "Vitali is much bigger": Hence my response that unlike some I'm not a size whore. Who looks foolish? The person who asks "who's bigger?" or the person who asks "who's better?"? Hmmm? Unless, of course, you are someone who subscribes to the tenent that "bigger equals better" in which case that makes you a "size whore" ie. someone who is size obsessed and uses it as their primary criterion in picking matchups.

Poet

[Chase8400]

I completely disagree with the bolded, you are either blatantly ignoring Dempsey's record against giants like Fulton and Willard, or you're woefully ignorant of it.

I actually am a big Dempsey fan and have a fairly close relation to him that I don't care to duscuss at this time. While Jack had a great record against larger fighters, none of them were anywhere near Klitschko's caliber. They were very slow clubbers who who were nowhere near as coordinated and certainly didn't possess a defense like Vitali. Dempsey was a killer puncher P4P but is simply too one dimentional and small to beat VK. He would no doubt be knocked out.

You probably think I'm just a blinded biased idiot because Vitali is in my sig, but that couldn't be further from the truth. Sorry to bust a bubble about Dempsey since it appears that we both love the guy, but that is the truth coming in the form of my boxing-savy opinion.

[Chase8400]

Let me start by saying , hahahahaha, cute stuff from you. (no serious disrespect)

Then please name the GOOD in-prime fighters that Vitali has beaten.

****y Ryan(first guy to beat Bryan Neilson)
Herbie Hyde
Chris Byrd(Yes he beat him. Don't be ******)
Orlin Norris
Larry Donald
Kirk Johnson
Corrie Sanders(in his prime enough to beat Wladimir)
Danny Williams
Sam Peter
Juan Gomez(depends on who you as before or after the fight)

Is that enough for you?
Being good and in their prime is subject to opinion though. I'm not too sure you are grasping that, however.

I said GOOD in-prime fighters: Not the tomato cans posing as contenders these days.

Another opinion.........I see a patern.

Remind me how old Lennox was for that fight? He was past-prime by every standard.

He was 37. Same age as Calzaghe for the Jones fight. Who was also from the UK , was also dominant in his class and was also NOT past his prime. This is opinion, except you have nothing but your opinion backing you up.

A tenent of faith prehaps? I prefer objective reality where boxing is concerned. I would rather KNOW than BELIEVE..

Fair enough. Why don't you PROVE to me that Lennox was past his best when he faced Vitali so that I may KNOW as you claim to.

CHASE, lol